Safety line throw bag??

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Am I being really dense, or is this never going to work?

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I can't quite believe that it ships like this from new, and that nobody has thought to check. Some safety equipment.
 

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Am I being really dense, or is this never going to work?

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I can't quite believe that it ships like this from new, and that nobody has thought to check. Some safety equipment.
Oh dear! Yes, will not work. Obviously, you need to get all the twists out of the line then stuff it in in small bites then practice throwing it, several times, so you know it works. Some throwbags do not have sufficient weight to enable you to throw it the full lenth of the line, if this is the case, quickly dunk the whole bag in the water before throwing.

The ones made by Yak or Palm work very well, in my experience.

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Very common. I've seen lots of LifeSlings packed wrong. I saw one thrown bag during product testing that contained a tape-splice in the middle of the coil that no one notice (not all spools are continuous and they generarlly contain a worning). Same with fire blankets (should be acordian folded so that they deploy instantly).
 

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I was really shocked, and thought it worth posting for the unwary like me.

Seeing the thread about delivery crewing, and the strong opinions about making your own checks, and thinking I was pretty good at glancing around and doing a mental safety checklist - to then find safety equipment not ready to deploy.

It does say on the bag (on the opposite side to the deployment instructions) to unravel and repack it first, but I'm obviously not the first to not notice it - it's been on the (new to me) boat for years.
 

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Throw bags are specifically pack by just stuffing in the line so that it cannot tangle when thrown, looks like this is packed as new in a dangerous way even if the manufacture does not expect it to be initially used as shipped. Not clever.
we carry both a yak and palm bag and have used both perfectly every time, very useful for getting a shore line across
 
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Very common. I've seen lots of LifeSlings packed wrong. I saw one thrown bag during product testing that contained a tape-splice in the middle of the coil that no one notice (not all spools are continuous and they generarlly contain a worning). Same with fire blankets (should be acordian folded so that they deploy instantly).

I do the same accordian type folds on the Danbuoy flag.

I'm hopeful that in the event of it being deployed, the bright pink flag will be immediately visible fluttering in the wind (rather than it still being tightly wrapped around and around the pole like it could have been for years on some boats)..
 

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It looks like in this case the bag is just hold the rope. The end with a loop and ball are thrown. Fair enough. The end of the rope (still inside the bag should be fastened to the boat. The weight of the end thrown seems to be a compromise. Heavier goes further but needs to be light enough to float. Best advice is to give it a try. ol'will
 

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It looks like in this case the bag is just hold the rope. The end with a loop and ball are thrown. Fair enough. The end of the rope (still inside the bag should be fastened to the boat. The weight of the end thrown seems to be a compromise. Heavier goes further but needs to be light enough to float. Best advice is to give it a try. ol'will
There is a weight, encapsulated in a ball of buoyant foam material, sown into the bottom of the bag. The line, although routinely shipped in the coiled format shown in the photograph, should be shaken out and repacked in the bag in a "stuffed-in " manner, with no coiling whatsoever. To throw the line to an MOB, the loop should be put around the wrist, or held in the non- throwing hand, then the bag is thrown towards the casualty using an underhand throw. If these instructions are followed correctly the full 30 metres can be thrown. If there any tangles in the line it will only travel a few metres.
I have demonstrated this many times to sailing trainees ( and frequently found on initial examination, that the line was still in its factory coil in the bag:( )
 

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I have to thank the OP for this post (y)
This has come as a surprise to me & I admit that I have never opened the bag & tried to throw it. I have treated it as a flare. ie only use it when needed then it should work as required. I have an overboard harness & this holiday I re stitched the seams, removed a short length of the retreival line that was exposed to UV & re packed neatly. So that is always ready to go.

The throw bag is really a minor line of defence as I cannot imagine pulling anyone in towards a boat with them just holding a thin line.
I have long lines ready & can throw a 10mm braid a fair distance, having practiced a lot.
Next job today will be to either toss the bag in the garden & if it does not work - toss it in the bin.
If it is Ok can someone advise on the best way to re pack the cord without it tangling? Does it lay in the bag in a circular spiral? A figure 8 or is there a proper way of doing it? Just stuffing it in somehow does not sit right with me. Is it meant to come out as thrown or does one take it out of the bag first then throw the bag? I cannot imagine that option, but friction could be an issue.

I might add that the UV has removed the instructions from the bag so please do not tell me to RTFM :unsure: :oops: :rolleyes:
You are 20 years too late. ?
I have read that the "Bell" type throw lines are the best. Any experience of current types if I have to change?
 
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I have to thank the OP for this post (y)
This has come as a surprise to me & I admit that I have never opened the bag & tried to throw it. I have treated it as a flare. ie only use it when needed then it should work as required. I have an overboard harness & this holiday I re stitched the seams, removed a short length of the retreival line that was exposed to UV & re packed neatly

The throw bag is really a minor line of defence as I cannot imagine pulling anyone in towards a boat with a thin line.
I have long lines ready & can throw a 10mm braid a fair distance, having practiced a lot.
Next job today will be to either toss the bag in the garden & if it does not work - toss it in the bin.
If it is Ok can someone advise on the best way to re pack the cord without it tangling? Does it lay in the bag in a circular spiral? A figure 8 or is there a proper way of doing it? Just stuffing it in somehow does not sit right with me
The correct way is to stuff it in small bites do not try to coil or figure-8 it. Quickest way is to get a helper to hold the mouth of the bag open while you pull the line from over your shoulder using alternate hands to stuff a bite at a time. Then practice throwing it. If you can't throw the full length of the line then pratice more. If still no good then bin it and buy a Yak or Palm make of 20m min length.

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the line in the OPs example, even if uncoiled, looks like a particularly economical option. Go for one aimed at the whitewater kayak end of the market (Yak or Palm already mentioned are good options; Peak UK another); these will have been used in some form of anger on a regular basis and the design and performance honed as a consequence.
 

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I check the line and repack it as part of routine maintenance when ashore in the winter.

The line on the rescue buoy also gets repacked and if the end which is attached to the boat is sun damaged I shorten it slightly. I realise that this will mean that at some point it will have to be replaced.
 

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I check the line and repack it as part of routine maintenance when ashore in the winter.

The line on the rescue buoy also gets repacked and if the end which is attached to the boat is sun damaged I shorten it slightly. I realise that this will mean that at some point it will have to be replaced.

I use a sacrificial bit of line between the boat and safety sling, saves having to cut it. Like you I check mine periodically and had to cut the end of the line, but replaced with a short strop.
 

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I have to thank the OP for this post (y)
This has come as a surprise to me & I admit that I have never opened the bag & tried to throw it. I have treated it as a flare. ie only use it when needed then it should work as required. I have an overboard harness & this holiday I re stitched the seams, removed a short length of the retreival line that was exposed to UV & re packed neatly. So that is always ready to go.

The throw bag is really a minor line of defence as I cannot imagine pulling anyone in towards a boat with them just holding a thin line.
I have long lines ready & can throw a 10mm braid a fair distance, having practiced a lot.
Next job today will be to either toss the bag in the garden & if it does not work - toss it in the bin.
If it is Ok can someone advise on the best way to re pack the cord without it tangling? Does it lay in the bag in a circular spiral? A figure 8 or is there a proper way of doing it? Just stuffing it in somehow does not sit right with me. Is it meant to come out as thrown or does one take it out of the bag first then throw the bag? I cannot imagine that option, but friction could be an issue.

I might add that the UV has removed the instructions from the bag so please do not tell me to RTFM :unsure: :oops: :rolleyes:
You are 20 years too late. ?
I have read that the "Bell" type throw lines are the best. Any experience of current types if I have to change?
No coils! They will tangle. The line should be uncoiled onto the floor or the cockpit sole. Ideally it should be towed behind the boat to really remove all twist. Take up short lengths with one hand and gather into the other hand until that hand's capacity is reached, then stuff into the bag, repeat. If you do a few practice throws you will become adept at repacking the line.
 
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the line in the OPs example, even if uncoiled, looks like a particularly economical option. Go for one aimed at the whitewater kayak end of the market (Yak or Palm already mentioned are good options; Peak UK another); these will have been used in some form of anger on a regular basis and the design and performance honed as a consequence.
The line in that brand of bag is particularly slippery and will fly out of the bag if packed and thrown correctly.
 

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It’s just a poor should be cheap product and it’s packed like that to save labour costs in manually packing it properly. I wonder if you will ever get that line in the bag.
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I have to thank the OP for this post (y)
This has come as a surprise to me & I admit that I have never opened the bag & tried to throw it. I have treated it as a flare. ie only use it when needed then it should work as required. I have an overboard harness & this holiday I re stitched the seams, removed a short length of the retreival line that was exposed to UV & re packed neatly. So that is always ready to go.

The throw bag is really a minor line of defence as I cannot imagine pulling anyone in towards a boat with them just holding a thin line.
I have long lines ready & can throw a 10mm braid a fair distance, having practiced a lot.
Next job today will be to either toss the bag in the garden & if it does not work - toss it in the bin.
If it is Ok can someone advise on the best way to re pack the cord without it tangling? Does it lay in the bag in a circular spiral? A figure 8 or is there a proper way of doing it? Just stuffing it in somehow does not sit right with me. Is it meant to come out as thrown or does one take it out of the bag first then throw the bag? I cannot imagine that option, but friction could be an issue.

I might add that the UV has removed the instructions from the bag so please do not tell me to RTFM :unsure: :oops: :rolleyes:
You are 20 years too late. ?
I have read that the "Bell" type throw lines are the best. Any experience of current types if I have to change?
There should be a loop of webbing attached to the weighted bag. The casualty puts his arm into this to avoid the need to hold onto the thin line.
On one of my offshore refresher courses we did a exercise using these bags, although I have had them onboard ever since I bought my first cruising boat.
 

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Thank you for posting this . I will check my throw line when next at the boat. I can't recall whether it has ever been out of the bag.
 
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