Poey50
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If it works well without the optional hoop then it could take a big chunk of the Spade market.
Rocna prices
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If it works well without the optional hoop then it could take a big chunk of the Spade market.
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It would not surprise me if their pricing strategy is aimed at market penetration and market share before settling into a higher price bracket after displacing some current competitors; assuming the anchor does what it says.
At £340 for a 20kg Epsilon (Jimmy Green), comparable with my Knox 18 kg at £430 (Knox), that is quite a saving, assuming the Epsilon has broadly similar or better performance.
Rappey
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Its only £288.85 from cactus !
Pye_End
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You have a point about the reasons for the behaviour of some in many business, but do not accept it is all businesses by a very long way.
If potential customers were to develop more moral backbone and thought before getting out of their wallets, they could pressure the 'bad eggs' into doing the right thing.
However, as the nice marketing lady from Tesco said on the TED lecture, businesses ultimately rely on the sad truth that people just don't care. £ of the item overrides everything.
pvb
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Utter rubbish! Amazon pay whatever tax is due in the UK. They pay business rates. Although ignorant people love to criticise Amazon, they are ahead of many other companies. Apart from paying more than the minimum wage, did you know Amazon offer benefits including private medical insurance, life assurance, income protection, paid breaks and a company pension plan? How many chandleries offer their staff the same benefits?
lustyd
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People in business have morals for sure, but the business itself does not. There are two ways to succeed in business, either be really good at what you do, or be ruthless. Amazon are both, which is why a lot of people hate them. Bezos rejected the wall street way and reinvested heavily and continues to reject splitting shares and other standard practices. Sure, he pays the minimum tax, but the company is incredible at what it does in almost every venture.
Potential customers do the same, they spend as little as possible. That's not a moral decision it's a financial one. Some companies succeed through excellence - Zippo is a great example here with their famous warranty. It makes people love them so much that even those buying other brands would agree they wanted the zippo. That lecture was right, human nature makes doing the right thing hard. If you can't be a lot better then it's lowest common denominator. I work in tech and looking at how retailers treat their customers is shocking. They'd rather sell my info for ads than work out how to better serve me. A good example of this is that of the big 4 supermarkets in the UK only one allows me to save my own recipes to add to my basket. The rest try to con me into using their recipes which have all kinds of stuff in them! If not shopping was a choice, I'd do that rather than deal with these companies.
Rappey
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So far the most interesting thing about this "rocna prices" thread is no one has mentioned any price for a rocna ?Amazon seem to be doing OK from it though
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Looking at the bigger question of supporting large corporations or chandleries, I support whoever I get service from. Good service, or added value, gets my custom rubbish service and I never cross your threshold again.
A couple of examples. I visited a small boatyard chandelier in 2019 with a small job to be done while I was a way for a month, arrived back and it had not been started. Todate they have lost about £3,000 in turnover. All for the want of doing a small job that took an hour tops.
I use The Sea Chest in Plymouth for my charts, books etc and had a little list at Christmas. Mrs Sandy called and ordered what I needed. The goods put aside for me to collect. Now I have a reputation for "checking" Christmas presents before the big day. In BIG BOLD letters on the box was Sandy, don't even think about opening this! The fantastic staff a The Sea Chest had joined in and gave the family a laugh. I will return time and time again and put cash over their counter - their service is outstanding all the time.
alan_d
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What is this Cactus of which you speak? Google only tells me about prickly plants.
Poey50
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Lewmar Epsilon Anchor Galvanized - 16kg (L57616)
£234 including VAT, free postage.
Equivalent Spade is £526 including VAT, postage extra.
Exchange rate: 1 Spade = 2 Epsilons.
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Caladh
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When the saving on 20kg Rocna is over £100 + from Amazon it’s a no contest isn’t it ?
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Yes, subject to the Epsilon being a match for the Spade in terms of performance. We won’t know that for another year until there is some real life experience with from the Epsilon. An anchor is essential safety kit and the specifications of chain, connectors, accessories and anchor is something that shouldn’t be heavily price influenced.
Edit: I perhaps responded to the wrong post, your point was Amazon vs Chandler - ooops, sorry. But hopefully my point is apposite nonetheless.
Hoolie
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One of the reviewers on Amazon reckoned the anchor was supplied from the Barcelona depot and he had to pay extra charges on delivery. Check that out before committing to an Amazon purchase!
UK-WOOZY
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what size anchor would my boat need? do i just get the same weight as the original one?
Rappey
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That would depend on what type of anchor you original one is.
There are sizing charts for the epsilon
Neeves
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As Rappey says there are sizing charts vs vessel length for the Epsilon and for all other anchors. You will find that the sizing charts for the old style anchors have an uncanny similarity to the newer models of anchor (for historic reasons). But you will find that if your current yacht is equipped with a Delta, CQR or Bruce that the newer anchors will be a revelation to you. Easy and reliable to set and have much better hold.
When you look at buying a new anchor consider that the Epsilon, when available, might alter the pricing of other 'good' anchors, so delaying a purchase might be judicious. The other thing to check is that the new anchor that you might hanker over - does it fit on your bow roller and under your furling gear. Some anchors have longer shanks, for the same weight, and your bow roller might foul a roll bar. Many anchor makers offer a means to make a cardboard mock up of their anchor to allow you to check for fit and all anchor makers supply some form of actual sizing as a drawing.
Jonathan
Rappey
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wully1
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I always ask if there is a big difference in price. Sometimes they can match or get close. If it’s close I’ll buy from them.
Mostly they are very competitive which is great.
pandos
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I paid 168 pounds, delivered to Ireland for my 20kg Rocna on Amazon last year...(it was a warehouse deal...)
Amazon seem to be doing OK from it though
Gary Fox
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That's a good price, what is meant by a 'warehouse deal'?
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