Suggest a Yacht please

Zing said:
You don’t have a Pogo do you? That’s what I’d have, or similar.

As you know they can be reefed, so 60kts should be no emergency.

Actually the non-wind gets worse, the Tyrrhenian sea/Ionian sea until the Aegean maybe.
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Of course they can be reefed. But conditions can change unexpectedly.
We've been relatively fortunate and only ever got caught out whilst at anchor. Wind going from <10kt to 50kt in the space of a few seconds.
A friend had a nasty experience in a wind acceleration zone in Greece. He saw what was coming and had time to get to the mast, with the intention of dropping in a few reefs. Next thing he knows, it's 65kt and he's laid over with spreaders touching the water. Crazy stuff. That was on a very conservatively rigged Moody. No damage done, but he got a hell of a scare!
 
Sea Change said:
Of course they can be reefed. But conditions can change unexpectedly.
We've been relatively fortunate and only ever got caught out whilst at anchor. Wind going from <10kt to 50kt in the space of a few seconds.
A friend had a nasty experience in a wind acceleration zone in Greece. He saw what was coming and had time to get to the mast, with the intention of dropping in a few reefs. Next thing he knows, it's 65kt and he's laid over with spreaders touching the water. Crazy stuff. That was on a very conservatively rigged Moody. No damage done, but he got a hell of a scare!
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Indeed. There are so many nasty named winds. The Mistral is probably the most significant. When it blows it blows and dominates the Med.
 
Zing said:
Most of the Med has no wind, except for rare moments. If you enjoy sailing you need something that will be happy in almost no wind. That means a very high SA/Displacement ratio. Get a JPK, J’s or Pogo for example. Or get a motoryacht.
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Not true. The wind in the Aegean never seemed to stop. Mixed, I would say. Plenty of wind and plenty of light days.
 
Sea Change said:
Of course they can be reefed. But conditions can change unexpectedly.
We've been relatively fortunate and only ever got caught out whilst at anchor. Wind going from <10kt to 50kt in the space of a few seconds.
A friend had a nasty experience in a wind acceleration zone in Greece. He saw what was coming and had time to get to the mast, with the intention of dropping in a few reefs. Next thing he knows, it's 65kt and he's laid over with spreaders touching the water. Crazy stuff. That was on a very conservatively rigged Moody. No damage done, but he got a hell of a scare!
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Terribly dangerous sailing waters, Greece. Well known for this. Hence why it doesn't have any flotilla and charter boats in Greece as the winds so dangerous. Coastline is deserted with no sailing boats.
 
Tranona said:
Don't forget the preferred size is 33-36' and budget £30-40k which rules out many of the suggestions - even if they are for boats that would fit the 2 cabin country cottage requirement.
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For a 4 couples syndicate that seems a very low purchase budget. Under £10k a head. Adding just £5k a head would get to £60k and massively increase options - especially at 36-38 foot mark.

And as previously noted, the stern cabins and things suddenly get much bigger (height between bunk and cockpit floor for example) and more attractive around 36 feet.

I wonder what the annual costs of running a syndicate in the Med are - including berthing, running costs and flights? Not cheap I assume.
If an extra £5k capital is unaffordable, are the running costs affordable?
 
dunedin said:
For a 4 couples syndicate that seems a very low purchase budget. Under £10k a head. Adding just £5k a head would get to £60k and massively increase options - especially at 36-38 foot mark.

And as previously noted, the stern cabins and things suddenly get much bigger (height between bunk and cockpit floor for example) and more attractive around 36 feet.

I wonder what the annual costs of running a syndicate in the Med are - including berthing, running costs and flights? Not cheap I assume.
If an extra £5k capital is unaffordable, are the running costs affordable?
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Good point - that price point is where most of the under 40 footers are. I never found Greece particularly expensive - unless I had to get work done. We rarely used marinas and hauled out when we weren't there. Plenty of anchorages. That was where the water maker came into its own.
 
dunedin said:
Terribly dangerous sailing waters, Greece. Well known for this. Hence why it doesn't have any flotilla and charter boats in Greece as the winds so dangerous. Coastline is deserted with no sailing boats.
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My point was, it's not as simple as just buying a very light boat with a huge sail area. Because squalls, micro bursts, acceleration zones etc are very real.
 
Zing said:
Most of the Med has no wind, except for rare moments. If you enjoy sailing you need something that will be happy in almost no wind. That means a very high SA/Displacement ratio. Get a JPK, J’s or Pogo for example. Or get a motoryacht.
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The Ancientmed civilizations got round that with slave power as an auxilary
 
Leaving aside the topic of sudden winds (didn’t Lord Byron or was it Shelley experience this issue ?) I would have thought that circa £40k for an elderly vessel like the jeaneau seems rather top priced -surely a tad more for a 2000 year onwards vessel of slightly larger size might give more comfort as said inpost#66 . But maybe budget s beng eft t replace any non working items . Maybe there are boats out there with larger diesel tanks fitted for example to help with motoring distances?
 
ashtead said:
Leaving aside the topic of sudden winds (didn’t Lord Byron or was it Shelley experience this issue ?) I would have thought that circa £40k for an elderly vessel like the jeaneau seems rather top priced -surely a tad more for a 2000 year onwards vessel of slightly larger size might give more comfort as said inpost#66 . But maybe budget s beng eft t replace any non working items . Maybe there are boats out there with larger diesel tanks fitted for example to help with motoring distances?
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Tennyson.
 
ashtead said:
Leaving aside the topic of sudden winds (didn’t Lord Byron or was it Shelley experience this issue ?) I would have thought that circa £40k for an elderly vessel like the jeaneau seems rather top priced -surely a tad more for a 2000 year onwards vessel of slightly larger size might give more comfort as said inpost#66 . But maybe budget s beng eft t replace any non working items . Maybe there are boats out there with larger diesel tanks fitted for example to help with motoring distances?
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That is par for the course. Boats in Europe are typically 20%+ more expensive 2001 Bavaria 36 which would suit typically go for £50k compared with £40k here. My 37 fetched over £50k last year in Spain (the seller bought it from me for under £40k in 2015).

As I suggested earlier suspect the OP and his friends have unrealistic expectations of both the type of boat they might be able to buy and the price they will have to pay.
 
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