Racing Rules of Sailing

[zoidberg]

How come this only happens right in front of the clubhouse....?

 

[Daydream believer]

So! go on. Tell us what rule of racing they are breaking
And why this is in Scuttlebutt & not the racing forum
Like the pic by the way

 

[KevinV]

How come this only happens right in front of the clubhouse....?

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Because there IS a God - and he has a sense of humour

 

[RunAgroundHard]

Not sure a knife, in the pocket, mast or binnacle will help them.

 

[Blueboatman]

How come this only happens right in front of the clubhouse....?

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I’ve seen AI interpretations of ‘yacht with sails’ that were worse than that!

 

[ylop]

So! go on. Tell us what rule of racing they are breaking

I think the point was that like Murphy’s law there is a undocumented rule that if you screw up it will be when everyone is watching.

 

[zoidberg]

And why this is in Scuttlebutt & not the racing forum
Like the pic by the way

It has been said, my dear DdB, that 'a picture is worth a thousand wurds'
So....

 

[flaming]

How come this only happens right in front of the clubhouse....?

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When you're racing you are not supposed to fly your ensign. And that one looks like it might be the wrong way round as well....

 

[johnalison]

When you're racing you are not supposed to fly your ensign. And that one looks like it might be the wrong way round as well....

It looks like the helmsman is wearing a red jacket to me.

 

[flaming]

It looks like the helmsman is wearing a red jacket to me.

I was looking a little higher…

 

[Daydream believer]

When you're racing you are not supposed to fly your ensign. And that one looks like it might be the wrong way round as well....

Are you being flippant, or serious?
In any event I will fall for it
What if you are racing across the channel & entering another country. Surely international rules to fly an ensign overide racing rules. ie say finish mark is St Malo would one not fly the ensign, as well as a courtesy flag, along the French coast?

 

[finestgreen]

Are you being flippant, or serious?
In any event I will fall for it
What if you are racing across the channel & entering another country. Surely international rules to fly an ensign overide racing rules. ie say finish mark is St Malo would one not fly the ensign, as well as a courtesy flag, along the French coast?

My understanding was the ensign is only legally required when entering or exiting a port?

 

[Daydream believer]

My understanding was the ensign is only legally required when entering or exiting a port?

Considering that French CG vessels regularly patrol & board vessels in their waters I would have though that they would require a yacht to display its ensign & or the courtesy flag. But I stand by your superior knowledge

 

[finestgreen]

Considering that French CG vessels regularly patrol & board vessels in their waters I would have though that they would require a yacht to display its ensign. But I stand by your superior knowledge

Not an expert, someone else might tell me I'm wrong! But this is what the UK law says:

5Duty to show British flag.​

(1)Subject to subsection (2) below, a British ship, other than a fishing vessel, shall hoist the red ensign or other proper national colours—

(a)on a signal being made to the ship by one of Her Majesty’s ships (including any ship under the command of a commissioned naval officer); and

(b)on entering or leaving any foreign port; and

(c)in the case of ships of 50 or more tons gross tonnage, on entering or leaving any British port.

(2)Subsection (1)(c) above does not apply to a small ship (as defined in section 1(2)) registered under Part II.

Merchant Shipping Act 1995

 

[flaming]

Are you being flippant, or serious?

Good grief!
That whooshing sound you heard is the joke flying way over your head....

For the avoidance of doubt it was a joke based on the spinnaker looking a little bit like a giant red ensign flown the wrong way round.

 

[johnalison]

Good grief!
That whooshing sound you heard is the joke flying way over your head....

For the avoidance of doubt it was a joke based on the spinnaker looking a little bit like a giant red ensign flown the wrong way round.

Which I mistook to refer to the helmsman's red jacket on a blurry photo,

 

[Daydream believer]

Not an expert, someone else might tell me I'm wrong! But this is what the UK law says:

5Duty to show British flag.​

(1)Subject to subsection (2) below, a British ship, other than a fishing vessel, shall hoist the red ensign or other proper national colours—

(a)on a signal being made to the ship by one of Her Majesty’s ships (including any ship under the command of a commissioned naval officer); and

(b)on entering or leaving any foreign port; and

(c)in the case of ships of 50 or more tons gross tonnage, on entering or leaving any British port.

(2)Subsection (1)(c) above does not apply to a small ship (as defined in section 1(2)) registered under Part II.

Merchant Shipping Act 1995

Link does not work for me
But when in a foreign country it is not British law that is applicable

Good grief!
That whooshing sound you heard is the joke flying way over your head....

For the avoidance of doubt it was a joke based on the spinnaker looking a little bit like a giant red ensign flown the wrong way round.

Yes I got that-- but it raised a question (thread drift, I know) Which made me wonder about the ensign in the real world
I sort of had it wrong, except for the courtesy flag part.

 

[flaming]

Yes I got that--

Did you though...

The answer to the question in the thread drift is that ensigns and courtesy flags should not be worn when racing. Technically they should be hoisted after finishing and before entering port. But in reality this very rarely happens.

 

[Daydream believer]

Did you though...

Yes & it was a c..p joke anyway

 

[[70521]]

Given the vessel's position the real question is clotted cream or jam first?