PaulRainbow
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Can you not use a wireless keyboard and mouse ?
Older Raymarine Chartplotters
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PaulRainbow
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This is true of all makes. Throw away World
Brand new 10.4" Android tablets £120. These run all day if on charge. Not great in bright sunlight, but perfect down below.
pawl
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hi, thanks for your response, I take your point about possible failure so it might be better to buy really cheap and hope for the best. I was very happy with the kit I had but it went with my boat when I sold it.
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Agreed. I bought Raymarine which is both touch screen and knobs. We use the touch screen mostly, knobs very occasionally.
laika
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If you’re looking at old raymarine plotters I’d prefer the C/E series “wide”s over the “Classic”s. Excellent connectivity (NMEA-0183/seatalk1/seatalk ng/ seatalk HS), supports AIS (although won’t display newer target types such as atons with special symbols) and displays dsc alerts. Takes navionics cf cards. Do they still do these? Well people on here were telling me they were long discontinued when I bought my last one 3 years ago so who knows? My c90w currently works with an evolution AP, AIS, icom radio and a bunch of st50 instruments. Would I personally buy an old plotter like this? Maybe not but there’s nothing I desperately need that this one won’t do so I’m not about to upgrade.
jwilson
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If you don't want up to date you could buy a 12" Onwa plotter new for not that much more than a used 12" Raymarine C-Series. As a secondary chart table plotter I bought a 7" one last year. It works, the built in K-charts seem OK, the screen is significantly brighter than the old Raymarine C70. The only downsides I can see are that for off-axis viewing the LCD screen gets dull, and I was not impressed with the lack of a good flush mounting arrangement. It's not as good as the Raymarine Axiom+ I have as the main at-helm plotter but for the same size screen it was under a third of the price.
C-Series plotters often suffer with the "stripe screen" fault: fixable by disassembly and wiggling internal ribbon connectors, but mine eventually did fully die.
If at a chart table base I'd also look at a decent tablet and the Navionics app........
C-Series plotters often suffer with the "stripe screen" fault: fixable by disassembly and wiggling internal ribbon connectors, but mine eventually did fully die.
If at a chart table base I'd also look at a decent tablet and the Navionics app........
stuartwineberg
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Interesting thread. I have 2 networked old E80s on my Moody fully wired up to Ais receiver, wind instruments, radar and autopilot and I forsee their demise at some point. I get the feeling that if they do die I will be faced with a massive bill to replace all the connected devices. I use all the functions I currently have, sailing to way points, using chart vectors etc. Thoughts?
boatmike
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Absolutely nothing wrong with older Raymarine plotters. The 120 series are quite adequate for general use and usually come with Navionics for home waters installed. The only drawback is that the charts will undoubtedly be out of date so don't rely on the charts too much but they will still give you accurate positional GPS and used intelligently are a good bit of kit that can be bought second hand for a budget price. I personally don't like touch screen stuff. Operating in a small boat in any sort of choppy conditions is a nightmare. Old fashioned knobs are very much more user friendly IMHO. The built in GPS usually makes installation easy and AIS can be imported easily too. Screens are quite good resolution and bright enough to be read in an open cockpit and I disagree about larger screens being "slow." Unless you are belting around at 25knots the refresh rate is quite adequate. If you want a good bit of kit at a budget don't be put off. They are old now but so am I and I still work well!
oldgit
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suspect it might be generic battery.anybody who knows what they are doing with a solder sucker and soldering iron can probably sort that.
PaulRainbow
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You have a C120 with built in GPS ?
Poecheng
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Yes, although there was a lot of 'chatter' about it, a couple of years ago, it is available, easy and it works well.
You buy an update pack which is about half price* - this is a new CF card from Navionics. I bought mine last year (almost to the day) from Navionics Update card - CF format BLANK - Yachting Software but there are others. Gavin was v. helpful.
With a CF card reader for your 'puter, you log onto Navionics and create and account. You need your existing card to validate the update card and then, once that is done, on the update card you download the area that you want. Then you can update it for free for a year. You keep your old card and can use that as well if it for a different area.
KompetentKrew
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This has been in my head since I read it a few hours ago.
When I say that the pinch and zoom is really good you're gonna think "oh my god, this guy uses an Apple Mac" but it does make a big difference - a new plotter is just much easier to use; you can get a view of the harbour in a moment, instead of futzing around pressing buttons (press, press, press) to slowly access the same information.
Added to this, new charts are probably no longer available for the old plotter you're thinking about buying, and also old plotters hold their value incredibly well (why!?!?!) so a brand new one is actually very good value (yes, it's twice the price, but is has a good screen, a fast CPU and it's more than twice as good).
oldgit
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Tablet charts £50.00 ? and used on the Flybridge with a 12v supply.This is true of all makes. Throw away World
Brand new 10.4" Android tablets £120. These run all day if on charge. Not great in bright sunlight, but perfect down below.
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OUKITEL RT5 has to date survived from being dropped and maltreated more than few times and having stuff coming into contact with glass screen in bottom of grab bag without mishap, something a Ipad signally failed to do.
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Refueler
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This is a personal thing and based on my wide use requirements. I sail not only sea but also inland waters.
I have plotters and smartphone / tablet based ....
Originally I used to create own charts for areas that had no commercial charting available .. namely upper reaches of rivers .. most charts stop at the port authority border upriver. My old Lowrance Globalmap 3500C has my charting all way up river to Kuldiga ... that's about 40kms worth of 'fun'.
Its basic charting with only limited depth info of course .. based on Ordnance Survey and Google Map ....
I later bought the Onwa with AIS ... but never got round to reformatting my own charts to display on it
Shortly after - I installed Navionics Boating and Lakes on a tablet ... this has full detail of the river as well as the seas I sail .. for less than 50 quid a year sub.
A definite no-brainer .... when I go on the river now ... my tablet or smartphone sits there providing all.
I have plotters and smartphone / tablet based ....
Originally I used to create own charts for areas that had no commercial charting available .. namely upper reaches of rivers .. most charts stop at the port authority border upriver. My old Lowrance Globalmap 3500C has my charting all way up river to Kuldiga ... that's about 40kms worth of 'fun'.
Its basic charting with only limited depth info of course .. based on Ordnance Survey and Google Map ....
I later bought the Onwa with AIS ... but never got round to reformatting my own charts to display on it
Shortly after - I installed Navionics Boating and Lakes on a tablet ... this has full detail of the river as well as the seas I sail .. for less than 50 quid a year sub.
A definite no-brainer .... when I go on the river now ... my tablet or smartphone sits there providing all.
Graham_Wright
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It looks like you have an indoor boat. Try a touch screen wearing gloves with a force 5 and rain for company.This is true of all makes. Throw away World
Brand new 10.4" Android tablets £120. These run all day if on charge. Not great in bright sunlight, but perfect down below.
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Knobs every time.
PaulRainbow
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I don't have an indoor boat at all, that picture is of the lower helm, to show the 2 £120 tablets.
On the flybridge i have a pair of Garmin GPSMAP MFDs, both totally touchscreen. They both work perfectly OK when it's raining, and no problem in a F5 or even F6, we try and avoid anything stronger, as did the GPSMAP on my previous sailboat. I suspect they won't work very well if i was wearing gloves, but i don't wear gloves.
If you prefer knobs, that's great, buy something with knobs.
PaulRainbow
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Refueler
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I have touchscreen on all sorts of gear - even my latest RC Transmitter has colour touchscreen ...
Gloves ? Plenty of gloves out there with finger tip pads specifically for this ... I have two pairs - one set are light summer ... other are heavy winter.
Gloves ? Plenty of gloves out there with finger tip pads specifically for this ... I have two pairs - one set are light summer ... other are heavy winter.
Pete7
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Agreed, which I why I went down the Raymarine Element S route. Still current model and available for about £480 on ebay or £417 from Hudson Marine. Raymarine Element S - HV
Can add radar but we haven't bothered, but do have AIS via a Em Trak transceiver. Chose the 9" version in the end and much prefer the software layout compared to the C80 which sold for a really good price.
We don't miss anything that the Axiom version has and after 6 years no problems. Software updates via the club wifi which also updates the RM wheel pilot etc.
rotrax
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Very true, but the E120 on our boat was fitted when new and is from 2008.
With an updated Gold card-we did not need all the extras the Platinum gave-it more than meets our requirements. Big screen, easy to operate, splits for radar and plotter.
A friend with the same model of boat has a very new one, with all the bells and whistles.
He spends most of his alongside or on the hook time pissing about with it and trying to get me to update.
His offers little we need-or, more importantly, want.
The money he spent on it would of been better spent elsewhere on the boat.
IMHO, of course.
