mattonthesea
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My question is why only France and Sweden have introduced six months visiting permits (not visas)? Politics, culture, money?
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syvictoria
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I believe that both visas already existed pre Brexit. There's been talk of the introduction of more since, but nothing new as yet for tourism purposes to my knowledge. (Funnily enough, other countries priorities don't just revolve around satisfying a few Brits...)
st599
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They're not visiting permits, they're full Type D Tourist Visas, same as any other third country visitor applies for.
mattonthesea
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I got my info from the Cruising Association; advice is that the Swedish authorities are clear about it being a permit. But I agree about same for everyone third country.
My question still remains; why just these two countries? Schengen has been around for a long time!
Tranona
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Because other states do not see any advantage to them of deviating from Schengen rules.
jordanbasset
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Because as Sovereign states they can decide what rules they want for non EU citizens. Different countries can do different things
Baggywrinkle
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Exactly, it was always so.
Each individual EU country can decide who and for how long it grants visas to, independent of Brussels or Schengen ... these visas allow more than 90/180 in the issuing country and can include being allowed to work and/or study, it's part of every countries right to decide their own economic needs concerning tourists and immigrants.
What each country can't do with a visa or permit is allow 3rd country citizens into the rest of the Schengen area ignoring the 90/180 rules. France can't grant a 6 month tourist visa that allows a 3rd country national to stay 6 months in Spain.
The only way France can grant a 3rd country citizen freedom of movement in the Schengen area is to grant them French citizenship - and even then that doesn't guarantee being able to move to another Schengen country and settle there, there is still a need to demonstrate that you have the financial means to support yourself and your dependents without being a burden on the state, either through pensions/investment income or a job. If an EU citizen moves country, they have the right to move, but after 90 days they should register, join that countries healthcare system, become resident, pay taxes, switch driving licence, register their car etc. etc. etc. Many do not, especially if they have more than one home. They remain resident in one country, but spend more than 90 days in another. Noone cares, as long as they don't try accessing benefits in the country in which they aren't registered - then they'll just get a "computer says no" response.
This "computer says no" response is where a lot of Brits with holiday homes fell through the cracks in the withdrawal agreement. They might have for all intents and purposes retired to Spain, but they never bothered registering there - so when it came to claiming their rights under the withdrawal agreement, the Spanish authorities had no record of their life and connection to Spain. On top of this, the healthcare costs in Spain came as quite a shock to the Brits who were living with a free NHS EHIC card.
The Convention Implementing the Schengen Agreement (CAAS) contains the following provisions:
EUR-Lex - 42000A0922(02) - EN
I have no idea why other countries don't do a 6 month tourist VISA .... maybe because a 3 month Schengen VISA waiver isn't quite long enough to work on the black market for an entire summer or winter season?
A six month one covers a complete season and makes you an attractive black-market cash-in-hand summer or winter seasonal worker.
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westernman
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That is not what we were told.
We were told by our politicians that the EU Commission dictated the rules for everyone.
Are you telling me we were lied to by our politicians???
Graham376
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Not just Brits in Spain who didn't follow the process, some folks are their own worst enemies. I know at least three people here in Portugal who obtained temporary residence but haven't updated to biometric cards because "they don't want to be in the system". I've given up trying to make them understand they are very likely to have problems in future if trying to travel around Schengen and most likely Portuguese border control as well.
Clancy Moped
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If your a brit in Spain, you've got till Friday this week to get your driving licence sorted, if your on an old paper one, forget it, it's driving test time.
Baggywrinkle
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What is it that makes Brits think they can go to another country and then refuse to follow the same rules as the locals? ... and they're already "in the system" if they have temporary ID cards - with more than enough info to identify them. The more you bend the rules, the more ammo the "system" has to deport you or worse. Why give officialdom a reason to screw you over? I don't understand it.
I had to submit biometric data for my German ID card when I got my German citizenship, it's part of the process, and if you don't like it as a dual-national, then you can always leave.
mattonthesea
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I don't think it's Brits particularly. All over the world there are people who get upset when the rules DO apply to them. Disguised Employment being sussed by IR36? Drivers who say that @I was only 5mph over the speed limit, builders without planning permission who have to take the building down, forum users who get banned, the list could go on.
BTW my best friend's Spanish wife, who is very tech savvie and articulate, struggled with the system to apply to remain in UK. So, for some people it may be fear or inability to understand systems.
Bouba
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I have to say that without the wife, who is some sort of genius, I couldn’t have done the paperwork....in fact, honestly truly, without her I wouldn’t have been able to drive through London...their website was beyond my comprehension
billskip
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Really, I haven't kept up with the license rules, I was given until 31/12/2020 to exchange mine.still got the paper advising me from UK gov. Did they extend the exchange period?
billskip
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I think they are trying to live in Spain (or wherever) and still claim they are in uk to get the extra benefits.they think that by not following the rules they will beat the system.
Clancy Moped
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I think there has been 2 extend change over periods now, this is the last one coming to an end.
Bouba
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The fact is that your UK paper license isn’t valid if you no longer live at that address
Baggywrinkle
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This just popped up on my news feed .... first time I've seen a Schengen ban issued for persistent bad behaviour, looks like the Croatians mean business ... (but the perp was Serbian so there might be more to this).
If the Croatians can ban people from the entire Schengen area then so can every other EU country - so if the Spanish add this to their clampdown on holiday yobs it could get really interesting.
Serbian Actor Banned From Entering Schengen Area Following Multiple Offences in Croatia - SchengenVisaInfo.com
If the Croatians can ban people from the entire Schengen area then so can every other EU country - so if the Spanish add this to their clampdown on holiday yobs it could get really interesting.
Serbian Actor Banned From Entering Schengen Area Following Multiple Offences in Croatia - SchengenVisaInfo.com
Bouba
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That’s a strange story...I wonder if it’s because he is a street performer rather than an actor....having a dog would fit that profile....every so often police do crackdown on beggars and other artistes....mind you he had no problem paying the fines so business is good
tilly56
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The introduction of six-month visiting permits in France and Sweden, as opposed to visas, could be influenced by a combination of factors such as their respective political policies, cultural attitudes towards tourism, and economic considerations. As a Canadian citizen, our country mainly focus on a temporary visa system may stem from the need to regulate and manage short-term visits while still promoting tourism and maintaining security within the country. The nuances of each nation's approach may reflect a balance between welcoming visitors and ensuring responsible travel.
