Next year's Schengen entry system.

Graham376 said:
Presumably, designated ports of entry/exit will have the facilities but, bear in mind the cart is often before the horse.
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The official ports of entry are almost always international ferry ports so they will have the appropriate equipment.
Up to you to trek from the marina/anchorage to the ferry terminal to find them.
 
AntarcticPilot said:
I have done quite a bit of international travel since the early 80s. One trend I have noticed is that fewer and fewer countries bother to stamp passports; it's all done electronically - the official scans your passport, checks that the details match the person in front of them, and then the computer does the rest. On exit, your passport is scanned again and hey presto, it's all sorted. It can even be linked to the scans the airline does. SOme countries put a loose slip into your passport which is removed on exit. Many places will stamp your passport if you ask them to, and it's more likely that you'll get a stamp in small or remote places, but my last passport had far fewer stamps than countries I'd visited. In fact, nearly all the stamps were from the Falklands - everywhere else was electronic!
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i had always assumed the passport scan was processing the entry records, but it in fact it is only checking you against a stop list
 
Bathdave said:
i had always assumed the passport scan was processing the entry records, but it in fact it is only checking you against a stop list
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I think it does process entry records, and have experience that gives evidence for this. Once, on leaving Germany, my wife was stopped at passport control and had to wait for what seemed like an eternity! It turned out that on a previous visit, she hadn't been checked out correctly, and it appeared from their records that she'd been in Germany far longer than she was permitted (she wasn't a British citizen at the time, so she didn't have freedom of travel). Fortunately, she convinced them that she had left Germany when she should - she had other evidence of being in other countries, and of course, had evidence of entering Germany just a short while before. But clearly, the routine passport scan turned up an apparent overstay, which can only mean that it was linked to some database of entry and exit information.
 
AntarcticPilot said:
I think it does process entry records, and have experience that gives evidence for this. Once, on leaving Germany, my wife was stopped at passport control and had to wait for what seemed like an eternity! It turned out that on a previous visit, she hadn't been checked out correctly, and it appeared from their records that she'd been in Germany far longer than she was permitted (she wasn't a British citizen at the time, so she didn't have freedom of travel). Fortunately, she convinced them that she had left Germany when she should - she had other evidence of being in other countries, and of course, had evidence of entering Germany just a short while before. But clearly, the routine passport scan turned up an apparent overstay, which can only mean that it was linked to some database of entry and exit information.
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perhaps its a National thinks then, as it’s not the case in France, I was told by a senior customs officer in St Brieuc this summer
 
AntarcticPilot said:
I think it does process entry records, and have experience that gives evidence for this. Once, on leaving Germany, my wife was stopped at passport control and had to wait for what seemed like an eternity! It turned out that on a previous visit, she hadn't been checked out correctly, and it appeared from their records that she'd been in Germany far longer than she was permitted (she wasn't a British citizen at the time, so she didn't have freedom of travel). Fortunately, she convinced them that she had left Germany when she should - she had other evidence of being in other countries, and of course, had evidence of entering Germany just a short while before. But clearly, the routine passport scan turned up an apparent overstay, which can only mean that it was linked to some database of entry and exit information.
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Only on a national level at the moment - once EES roles out, it will be pan-EU and check Schengen rule adherence.
 
I know for sure that the passport scanning logs entry and exit details. I have been questioned at USA customs points on my middle east and Russia country entries, on my additional UK passport (which isn't the USA ESTA registered passport). When I stated that those travels were on a second passport, the immigration officer sated he knew all that. I guess agencies around the world share data, its not exactly difficult, even if country IT systems are different.
 
AntarcticPilot said:
I have done quite a bit of international travel since the early 80s. One trend I have noticed is that fewer and fewer countries bother to stamp passports; it's all done electronically - the official scans your passport, checks that the details match the person in front of them, and then the computer does the rest. On exit, your passport is scanned again and hey presto, it's all sorted. It can even be linked to the scans the airline does. SOme countries put a loose slip into your passport which is removed on exit. Many places will stamp your passport if you ask them to, and it's more likely that you'll get a stamp in small or remote places, but my last passport had far fewer stamps than countries I'd visited. In fact, nearly all the stamps were from the Falklands - everywhere else was electronic!
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Not the case in the EU. I was stamped in and out of both France & Greece in June this year.
 
I think it is clear from my own and others experience travelling to Schengen on a UK passport since Brexit that when the passport is scanned in the country of arrival or departure this only gets logged in a country specific database and is not available to other Schengen member states.
This is why you are ALSO getting a stamp in the passport as this is the only way immigration officials in other Schengen states can tell if you have overstayed.

This summer we checked into Corfu (from Albania) and every stamp in the passport was reviewed to ensure that we had sufficient days left for entry.

For the OP I think that the new EES and ETIAS systems will speed things up as the ETIAS is effectively a pre-approval to check you are not an undesirable and EES should do away with the need for time consuming passport stamps and checks. It will make an overstay rather difficult to hide though.

Interesting (to me at least) is that Albania does not stamp any passports. They actually claim to be using an "EU Electronic System" which is a little strange given that Schengen states have not adopted this yet despite many promises. (Edit: At present Albania is not in EU or Schengen.)

Of course the lack of an Albania stamp must frustrate the Corfu immigration officers who have to ask for additional documents (port papers) to verify your date of entry into Greek waters.

As cruising yachts this is all frustrating and time consuming (4 hours to get processed in Corfu) but I think that we have to accept the local rules and customs when "going foreign". Treat it as a game where you "win" by remaining courteous and polite with a smile on your face.
 
So many of the posts here seem to forget that it was the UK which voluntarily chose to become acthird country with respect to the EU. The basic limitstiond on travel of a third country citizen into the EU remain unchanged since prior to the B vote, the changes to the means of controlling those rules are intended to make things both simpler and clearer for the majority of third country visitors to the EU.

Of course, the EU hospitality industry regrets any consequential loss of UK customers, but the decision wasn't theirs, it was ours.

Peter.
 
PeterWright said:
So many of the posts here seem to forget that it was the UK which voluntarily chose to become acthird country with respect to the EU. The basic limitstiond on travel of a third country citizen into the EU remain unchanged since prior to the B vote, the changes to the means of controlling those rules are intended to make things both simpler and clearer for the majority of third country visitors to the EU.

Of course, the EU hospitality industry regrets any consequential loss of UK customers, but the decision wasn't theirs, it was ours.

Peter.
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Speculative posts like this rest on very thin ice.

Unless you can come up with concrete examples I can't see that people have forgotten anything. Most are simply reporting on useful fact and experience.

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PeterWright said:
So many of the posts here seem to forget that it was the UK which voluntarily chose to become acthird country with respect to the EU. The basic limitstiond on travel of a third country citizen into the EU remain unchanged since prior to the B vote, the changes to the means of controlling those rules are intended to make things both simpler and clearer for the majority of third country visitors to the EU.

Of course, the EU hospitality industry regrets any consequential loss of UK customers, but the decision wasn't theirs, it was ours.

Peter.
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There were various Brexit options. The Johnson hardline group went for the most limiting.

It is clear that the 90 day rule is affecting the EU financially. No doubt it will change - at least in the sunny spots.
 
dgadee said:
There were various Brexit options. The Johnson hardline group went for the most limiting.

It is clear that the 90 day rule is affecting the EU financially. No doubt it will change - at least in the sunny spots.
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Of course it won’t change - the vast majority of tourist cash comes from those spending 7-14 days in Schengen. At bit more from those spending a month, and a lot more from those who have residence and spend 180 days or more. The money that comes from those spending 90-180 days must be minuscule in comparison so no incentive for change.
 
RupertW said:
Of course it won’t change - the vast majority of tourist cash comes from those spending 7-14 days in Schengen. At bit more from those spending a month, and a lot more from those who have residence and spend 180 days or more. The money that comes from those spending 90-180 days must be minuscule in comparison so no incentive for change.
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Maybe. But why would you buy a holiday home or flat now? And lots of money in the hands of the over 65s who don't want to be resident.
 
dgadee said:
Maybe. But why would you buy a holiday home or flat now? And lots of money in the hands of the over 65s who don't want to be resident.
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Well, there's no sign of UK tourism dropping off here in Portugal, the Algarve was heaving this year and Lisbon still is, the queue when we passed yesterday at Belem was as long as usually seen in July and August thanks to global warming extending the season. Lots of over 65s have taken up residence but the burden to the health system may be higher than the income benefit. Although in most cases cost of treatment is charged to the UK, the extra load of treating aging population has many drawbacks.
 
Graham376 said:
Well, there's no sign of UK tourism dropping off here in Portugal, the Algarve was heaving this year and Lisbon still is, the queue when we passed yesterday at Belem was as long as usually seen in July and August thanks to global warming extending the season. Lots of over 65s have taken up residence but the burden to the health system may be higher than the income benefit. Although in most cases cost of treatment is charged to the UK, the extra load of treating aging population has many drawbacks.
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the 90/180 day rule is not going to have any impact on 95% of the UK population who might go overseas for a maximum of 21 days a year.

As I have stated in other posts I popped back into the Shengen area to stop the clock a few weeks back and still have 20 days to be used before mid January. Had I not done that so I wonder what would have happened when the boat was back in the water and boarded entering a French port.
 
I worked on the boat for a few days in February, did 9 weeks sailing till start of July and couldn't get back into Schengenland till start of November. Not sure how I would get boat back to UK with the new time constraints.
 
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