Next year's Schengen entry system.

[Mistroma]

Of course it won’t change - the vast majority of tourist cash comes from those spending 7-14 days in Schengen. At bit more from those spending a month, and a lot more from those who have residence and spend 180 days or more. The money that comes from those spending 90-180 days must be minuscule in comparison so no incentive for change.

Probably correct. I sort of relied on the fact that most of the other passengers on our flight home had only stayed 1-2 weeks. My wife handed over her UK passport and it was stamped without hesitation. Not even a glance at the entry stamp for April, 182 days earlier.

I thought that approach stood a very good chance of getting the passport stamped without any delay. She had an entry stamp in April and got residence card a couple of months later. I was worried about them forgetting to stamp the passport again if she presented her residence card with the passport.

 

[dgadee]

Chris Robb told the CA (in August) that the Greek tourist dept was considering a 180 day tourist visa and that it might progress to law.

Makes sense to me. 90 to 180 day income must be currently miniscule (as RupertW says) if it's not possible.

 

[Mistroma]

Chris Robb told the CA (in August) that the Greek tourist dept was considering a 180 day tourist visa and that it might progress to law.

Makes sense to me. 90 to 180 day income must be currently miniscule (as RupertW says) if it's not possible.

They ignore the 90 day issue for EU citizens. Difficult to track as their passports aren't stamped.

Quite funny if Greece legalises 180 day stay for UK citizens and leaves EU citizens in technical breach after 90 days.

I haven't met an EU citizen who was aware that they needed to do anything to remain in Greece for more than 90 days.

 

[westernman]

I have been to Malta, Cyprus, Greece (several times), Italy (several times), Spain (many times) this year and have not had my UK passport stamped once. In fact the last stamp in it is a Chinese one from before Covid. No French or EU stamps whatsoever anywhere in the passport which is now 7 years old.

 

[PeterWright]

They ignore the 90 day issue for EU citizens. Difficult to track as their passports aren't stamped.

Quite funny if Greece legalises 180 day stay for UK citizens and leaves EU citizens in technical breach after 90 days.

I haven't met an EU citizen who was aware that they needed to do anything to remain in Greece for more than 90 days.

They do not ignore the 90 day rule for EU citizens as it does not apply to EU citizens, the EU principle of Freedom of Movement allows any EU citizen to travel to any other EU country for as long as they wish. The 90 day rule applies to 3rd country (i.e. non EU citizens and has done so for many years before Brexit. The application of this rule to UK citizens is entirely a consequence of Brexit, which was entirely foreseeable before the Brexit vote. The only form of Brexit which could have avoided this long existing rule being applied to UK citizens is if we had applied, and been accepted as members of the Eurolean Travel area, which includes countries like Norway and Switzerland, which are not EU members but do comply with a number of EU rules. Again, it was clear, well before the Brexit vote, that none of the leading Btrxiteer politicians, including Boris, favoutrd this option.

Peter.

 

[PeterWright]

There were various Brexit options. The Johnson hardline group went for the most limiting.

It is clear that the 90 day rule is affecting the EU financially. No doubt it will change - at least in the sunny spots.

Indeed they did. The only way the UK could have avoided the 90 day rule, as it stood before Brexit, would have been to seek and obtain membership of the European travel area, like Norway and Switzerland who, while not being EU members, comply with many EU rules. The pro Brexit campaigners, ked by Boris, made it clear that they did not favour this option.

I see no reason for the Schengen group to loosen up this rule, the sunny nations have access to all the northern european nations population alart from the UK and, currently, the Russians for stays if kver 90 days, I don't see the loss of 60 odd million Brits from their customer base causing them to free up third country entry requirements. Far more likely they will tighten the rules because the commonly held view is that, in their eagerness to do away with internal borders in the EU, they forgot to check that the external border of the Schengen area was managed to a good common standard, leading to the fefugee crisis of the 2000's.
Remember the 90 day rule is for all third countries, it's not particular to the UK and we do not seem to have given EU or Schengen countries any reason to give the UK soecial treatment.

Peter.

 

[Mistroma]

They do not ignore the 90 day rule for EU citizens as it does not apply to EU citizens, the EU principle of Freedom of Movement allows any EU citizen to travel to any other EU country for as long as they wish. The 90 day rule applies to 3rd country (i.e. non EU citizens and has done so for many years before Brexit. The application of this rule to UK citizens is entirely a consequence of Brexit, which was entirely foreseeable before the Brexit vote. The only form of Brexit which could have avoided this long existing rule being applied to UK citizens is if we had applied, and been accepted as members of the Eurolean Travel area, which includes countries like Norway and Switzerland, which are not EU members but do comply with a number of EU rules. Again, it was clear, well before the Brexit vote, that none of the leading Btrxiteer politicians, including Boris, favoutrd this option.

Peter.

Different rule and not the 90 days in 180 days for 3rd country citizens, just >90 days. The implementation is different in each EU country but the trigger point is 90 days (prob. actually says 3 months). It isn't an absolute requirement and the rule simply allows for countries to require registration. Greece does require registration in order to remain longer than 3 months.

The process in Greece is that any EU citizen wishing to remain for more than 90 days has to get an "veveosi engraffis" or be in breach of the rules. You could get hassled when leaving and be fined etc. but that's pretty much theoretical. EU citizens don't get a passport stamp and nobody really tracks time spent in Greece.

It's a bit of hassle to actually get a "veveosi engraffis" but local police will issue one fairly quickly. The annoying part is providing proof of medical cover for a year as they treat even 91 days as having moved to Greece on a more permanent basis.

 

[Graham376]

They do not ignore the 90 day rule for EU citizens as it does not apply to EU citizens, the EU principle of Freedom of Movement allows any EU citizen to travel to any other EU country for as long as they wish.
Peter.

There is a 90 days rule for EU citizens but different to third country citizens. EU citizens and their families, have to register their presence if in any country for over 90 days but are free to move on to others for the same period, for as often as they like. Unless working, I doubt if many adhere to the rule as they don't have passport checks and stamps.

 

[chrishscorp]

Indeed they did. The only way the UK could have avoided the 90 day rule, as it stood before Brexit, would have been to seek and obtain membership of the European travel area, like Norway and Switzerland who, while not being EU members, comply with many EU rules. The pro Brexit campaigners, ked by Boris, made it clear that they did not favour this option.

The EU offered us 180 days out of 365 as part of the negotiations, basically to reciprocate what we offered EU citizens which is 180 days. The UK Govt turned it down in favour of 90 as the likes of you and I dont need 180 days

 

[Beneteau381]

The EU offered us 180 days out of 365 as part of the negotiations, basically to reciprocate what we offered EU citizens which is 180 days. The UK Govt turned it down in favour of 90 as the likes of you and I dont need 180 days

I heard it was the other way around

 

[Mistroma]

I heard it was the other way around

My memory is that UK default was 180 days for EU citizens because of existing law pre-existing our EU membership. EU offered to reciprocate but we refused the offer.

I can't remember the reason given. I did try to find the documentation a few months ago but failed. Perhaps someone else can provide more detail (or a correction )

 

[goeasy123]

My memory is that UK default was 180 days for EU citizens because of existing law pre-existing our EU membership. EU offered to reciprocate but we refused the offer.

I can't remember the reason given. I did try to find the documentation a few months ago but failed. Perhaps someone else can provide more detail (or a correction )

...becasue Treasury told Boris to do everything he can to stop UK citizens spending UK earned income in the EU.

 

[goeasy123]

There is a 90 days rule for EU citizens but different to third country citizens. EU citizens and their families, have to register their presence if in any country for over 90 days but are free to move on to others for the same period, for as often as they like. Unless working, I doubt if many adhere to the rule as they don't have passport checks and stamps.

The wording mentions 'consecutive periods of 90 days'. Which means you just have to leave and return immediately to reset the clock.

 

[dgadee]

The EU offered us 180 days out of 365 as part of the negotiations, basically to reciprocate what we offered EU citizens which is 180 days. The UK Govt turned it down in favour of 90 as the likes of you and I dont need 180 days

I have heard that but never seen any proof. Can you provide some?

 

[chrishscorp]

I have heard that but never seen any proof. Can you provide some?

Why? so I can sit on the naughty step for 90 days ?
It will have been posted on here at the time when we were allowed to discuss such things

 

[dgadee]

Why? so I can sit on the naughty step for 90 days ?
It will have been posted on here at the time when we were allowed to discuss such things

No, simply to see whether there is evidence. I thought you might have that proof since you were stating it as a fact. Maybe it's just not true?

 

[chrishscorp]

No, simply to see whether there is evidence. I thought you might have that proof since you were stating it as a fact. Maybe it's just not true?

It was posted here at the time as many of us couldnt quite believe the utter ineptitude of the 'govt' which has since gone on to prove half of us correct and indeed exceeded all expectations. The forum has an excellent search facility you find by using the magnifying glass icon at the top

 

[doug748]

When this useful post is shut down I think we can thank posts 32 and 45 for kicking it off.

It was posted here at the time as many of us couldnt quite believe the utter ineptitude of the 'govt' which has since gone on to prove half of us correct and indeed exceeded all expectations. The forum has an excellent search facility you find by using the magnifying glass icon at the top

.

 

[dgadee]

It was posted here at the time as many of us couldnt quite believe the utter ineptitude of the 'govt' which has since gone on to prove half of us correct and indeed exceeded all expectations. The forum has an excellent search facility you find by using the magnifying glass icon at the top

I have looked. My career was based on research so I think I have reasonable research skills. I don't believe it exists but would be very happy to be proven wrong

 

[westhinder]

When this useful post is shut down I think we can thank posts 32 and 45 for kicking it off.
.

Sounds like someone has reported it to the mods