New build Sanlorenzo SL96A 2024

[henryf]

Here we go then, what the YBW motor forum was built for. I've popped a dummy run through for you to clear the pipes

A fine looking vessel, it will be interesting to see just where the JFM limited edition (of one) ends up going. I'll start by saying the chef's cabin just in front of the galley looks very generous. In fact its interesting to see how you've treated the whole crew accommodation. Each pair gets an en-suite but no crew galley. There's a good amount of real estate for crew to eat around the boat and at this size & your ability as a skipper what are your expectations regarding crew? Will you have any full time staff on board and what roles do you anticipate people doing? I'm interested in the thought process because it's obviously very different to my sized boat but you do have proper accommodation available.

The boat will work very well when you decide to bring her out to Thailand. What's hard to grasp from the plans is the scale of everything when you're actually in the boat moving around. I don't have the ability to look at a plan and think a particular space will feel tight or generous but of course as you move around the finished article it is immediately obvious. You've obviously spent time on finished boats and boats under construction so will be able to modify to suit your needs.

Anyway, looking forwards to the journey.

 

[Andrew M]

Fantastic ! Have been waiting for this, many thanks for taking the time to document and post. Can't wait to see it all taking shape and how the design and build decisions all come together.

Absolutely stunning boat , even just in renderings..

 

[MapisM]

The boat will work very well when you decide to bring her out to Thailand.

By saying only "when" with no "ïf", you seem to imply that she would be best exploited down there.

Utmost respect for personal preferences of course, but having seen both a bit of Thailand and of the Med, imho the problem with the former is that when you are ashore you are, well, in Thailand.
As opposed to the latter, whose shores can offer some of the best spots on earth.
So, 'fiuaskme, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't live long enough to get bored by a boat like this in the Med, and wish to bring her out to Thailand.

But as I said, each to their own!

 

[rafiki_]

Brilliant to see this JFM. I love the back story that you give, explaining the context of your decision making. Makes this forum worth visiting regularly, and I hope that the thread wreckers on this forum desist. Also looking forward to the Ribeye thread. I too have had a great experience with them, albeit on a different scale of rib to yours

 

[henryf]

By saying only "when" with no "ïf", you seem to imply that she would be best exploited down there.

Utmost respect for personal preferences of course, but having seen both a bit of Thailand and of the Med, imho the problem with the former is that when you are ashore you are, well, in Thailand.
As opposed to the latter, whose shores can offer some of the best spots on earth.
So, 'fiuaskme, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't live long enough to get bored by a boat like this in the Med, and wish to bring her out to Thailand.

But as I said, each to their own!

Don't forget that as well as the Gosport tourist authority I'm also on retention with the Thailand private motor yacht promotion council, Krabi sub district....

 

[Elessar]

Don't forget that as well as the Gosport tourist authority I'm also on retention with the Thailand private motor yacht promotion council, Krabi sub district....

Can you get any more oxymoronic than Gosport and Thailand?

 

[henryf]

Can you get any more oxymoronic than Gosport and Thailand?

Agreed, Thailand is no Gosport but it’s not TOO bad and has a few redeeming features.

 

[jfm]

Here we go then, what the YBW motor forum was built for. I've popped a dummy run through for you to clear the pipes

A fine looking vessel, it will be interesting to see just where the JFM limited edition (of one) ends up going. I'll start by saying the chef's cabin just in front of the galley looks very generous. In fact its interesting to see how you've treated the whole crew accommodation. Each pair gets an en-suite but no crew galley. There's a good amount of real estate for crew to eat around the boat and at this size & your ability as a skipper what are your expectations regarding crew? Will you have any full time staff on board and what roles do you anticipate people doing? I'm interested in the thought process because it's obviously very different to my sized boat but you do have proper accommodation available.

The boat will work very well when you decide to bring her out to Thailand. What's hard to grasp from the plans is the scale of everything when you're actually in the boat moving around. I don't have the ability to look at a plan and think a particular space will feel tight or generous but of course as you move around the finished article it is immediately obvious. You've obviously spent time on finished boats and boats under construction so will be able to modify to suit your needs.

Anyway, looking forwards to the journey.

Thanks Henry

Haha yes the chef's main deck quarters are pretty decent (if only, la chef is thinking...)

So, first of all crew galleys seem a waste of time bcz the main galley is crew domain anyway, so if they want to cook they do it in main galley, imho. Especially on a boat of this size, where any crew galley would be a tiny microwave+sink+fridge job.

Next trade I made was 3x crew cabins instead of 2x crew cabins+crew mess. I can see why plenty of owners want the mess especially if there's a paid captain but on my boat I'm the captain and I am informal with crew. So they can eat the same food as us (usually after serving to us) and they can use any table we are not using. Exactly as you say. So while we eat on the flybridge they can grab their lunch in main saloon, or in the wheelhouse. If they need an hour to relax they have their cabins and also the wheelhouse. 90% of the time there will be an unused crew cabin that they can also use for resting. So, I'm happy with this choice but I can see why others choose differently.

For busy summers I'm planning on 3 crew = 1. chef, 2. chief stewardess and 3. deckhand/2nd stew/rope handler/tender driver. Then for winter only 1 or 2 permanent minders/cleaners. This means I will be able to use the front crew cabin as a kids-of-guests cabin in summer (ie it functions as a 6 guest cabin boat) and still have enough crew beds whatever the crew male/female mix happens to be, and when I'm not doing that each crew person gets their own cabin and bathroom which is much more than they'll get from most employers.

I'm specifying the best crew zone finishes that Sanlorenzo will build - nothing momentous but same door furniture, taps, light switches, jacaranda carpet, heirlooms bedlinens, etc as the rest of the boat, plus window in every cabin, music, Garmin screen etc. (The carpet by the way will be bound-edge removeable panels, with Amtico style vinyl wood floor planks underneath, in case the carpet turns out to be a bad idea).

I'll check how much diesel it takes to get to Thailand and see what I can do .

 

[Keith-i]

This is going to be another phenomenal thread and one where you dare not miss a day or you’ll find there’s too much to catch up on. I can’t imagine the amount of thought that must go into a build of this calibre and really look forward to your updates and explanations. Thank you for the time and effort in sharing; it is obviously something many of us would never experience otherwise.

 

[henryf]

Thanks for the crew info. I’m with you in terms of formal / informal crew use of space. As you say much better than most boats of the size and I totally agree with your thoughts on crew catering. Ultimately a small crew like that will intermingle and help each other anyway. If there’s a busy dinner service 2 people make lighter work than one and being an owner / skipper with a conscience ensures crew retention / welfare.

We’ve got bound carpet over a wood floor in the extended galley area just inside the patio doors. We may never see the wood or may find the carpet isn’t ideal but it’s easier having both options from the outset and not much more money.

 

[47GC]

This is going to be an epic thread. Thanks JFM for taking the time to write up the thread. After reading your previous threads this is going to be exciting. Congratulations on your man toy!

 

[Greg2]

Wow!

What a fantastic boat and an already interesting and informative build thread that I am really going to enjoy following - thankfully I caught the start at only four pages!

Thank you for taking the time to put it together and congrats on what is clearly going to be a lovely new boat!

 

[benjenbav]

Thanks Henry

Haha yes the chef's main deck quarters are pretty decent (if only, la chef is thinking...)

So, first of all crew galleys seem a waste of time bcz the main galley is crew domain anyway, so if they want to cook they do it in main galley, imho. Especially on a boat of this size, where any crew galley would be a tiny microwave+sink+fridge job.

Next trade I made was 3x crew cabins instead of 2x crew cabins+crew mess. I can see why plenty of owners want the mess especially if there's a paid captain but on my boat I'm the captain and I am informal with crew. So they can eat the same food as us (usually after serving to us) and they can use any table we are not using. Exactly as you say. So while we eat on the flybridge they can grab their lunch in main saloon, or in the wheelhouse. If they need an hour to relax they have their cabins and also the wheelhouse. 90% of the time there will be an unused crew cabin that they can also use for resting. So, I'm happy with this choice but I can see why others choose differently.

For busy summers I'm planning on 3 crew = 1. chef, 2. chief stewardess and 3. deckhand/2nd stew/rope handler/tender driver. Then for winter only 1 or 2 permanent minders/cleaners. This means I will be able to use the front crew cabin as a kids-of-guests cabin in summer (ie it functions as a 6 guest cabin boat) and still have enough crew beds whatever the crew male/female mix happens to be, and when I'm not doing that each crew person gets their own cabin and bathroom which is much more than they'll get from most employers.

I'm specifying the best crew zone finishes that Sanlorenzo will build - nothing momentous but same door furniture, taps, light switches, jacaranda carpet, heirlooms bedlinens, etc as the rest of the boat, plus window in every cabin, music, Garmin screen etc. (The carpet by the way will be bound-edge removeable panels, with Amtico style vinyl wood floor planks underneath, in case the carpet turns out to be a bad idea).

I'll check how much diesel it takes to get to Thailand and see what I can do .

It really brings home the scale when you think of three crew, plus you as captain and eight cabins…

 

[jfm]

It really brings home the scale when you think of three crew, plus you as captain and eight cabins…

In fairness the crew mostly run the hotel not the boat. 10-12 guests is a lot of food, drinks, clean swim towels, supermarket re-stocking, every day! Plus guest changes= bed changes. Boutique hotel

 

[Parabolica]

Wow. Just wow. What a beautiful boat you have chosen and are having built. I get it, San Lorenzo are a cut above the likes of Princess and Sunseeker et al, especially for the individuality you mention. The usual stunning Italian design throughout too. And choosing Ribeye is great too, they are such a capable and enthusiastic team with a total “can do” attitude. They are also a good customer of mine and one we enjoy dealing with more than most.

Cannot wait to follow this thread to its natural conclusion.

 

[jfm]

Thanks Parabolica. I'll do some posts on the Ribeye soon - I have several in-build pics and renderings of the final thing. Really nice team there in Dartmouth. What do you sell them (if not a secret! )

 

[Parabolica]

Thanks Parabolica. I'll do some posts on the Ribeye soon - I have several in-build pics and renderings of the final thing. Really nice team there in Dartmouth. What do you sell them (if not a secret! )

Yes, a great team and good to see them growing too. They’re understandably very proud of their products and their new premises also.

 

[roa312]

Thank you for taking the time to write up the post - was looking forwards to reading about this!

In some later posts I try to find time if folks wish to explain the choice of boat (there are plenty of 90-95 footers on the market)

I for one think it would be very interesting to hear about your thoughts on the various alternatives and runner-ups. You pointed out that the level of customisation SL offer was key but I think it would be very interesting to also hear your takes on other pros/cons of interior layouts etc.

Please also make sure to tell us all about the toys you plan to have onboard (seabob, aquadart, seadoo etc.?)

 

[jfm]

It's just for the times when you find yourself on a very poor shore supply (for us it was always southern end of Italy, Sicily, parts of Sardinia, Greece all over). I remember seeing some crazy numbers (190 volts instead of 220!) between the phases, making nothing like a full 3 phase voltage, the ASEA we had in the Sunseeker 92 could deal with everything. We had problems with it and changed to a much more basic line voltage regulator (was about €5k), it can do much less but at least it stopped the power cutting out all the time. I think they'll be installing a UPS as standard for the AV stuff, to keep that alive when you lose power even momentarily.

Also, you're at the size of boat where they'll often put you in a berth that has e.g. only 1 3-phase plug available for more than 1 boat but more single phase supplies, so sometimes if you're on berth, it means running a generator during the day but then being able to switch down to a single phase supply overnight, just with 1 chiller running etc.

A full blown shorepower frequency converter is probably not worth the money or hassle but a simple LVR definitely.

Thanks JVII. Interesting.

First, AV equipment and fridge compressors will all be inverter driven, so I only need to worry about aircon and other mains-voltage electrical loads that need to run in port.

Yes I have seen/felt the 190v shorepower supplies that you mention(!)

Choice becomes to fit a VR, or live with the 190v situations and run a generator when you encounter them. The problem is that the big manufacturers like Atlas etc only offer VRs (I mean the ones you install onboard the boat rather than on the dock) in 1ph and about 30kva max, which doesn't work on my boat. Sunseeker now fit to their 95 foot (ish) model's Atlas's Autoshore 30 (you can see it at 19:30 of this video) which is a nice unit, and the Asea equivalent is similarly nice, but they only work on single phase boats, and 1ph is just an inferior way to build a boat of this size and I wouldn't have it. All the big motors on my boat will be 3ph including even the laundry equipment.

Next up, and necessary for a 3ph boat, is a big 3ph freq converter/VR unit, but these are massive lumps. The choice becomes to use genset when I encounter a berth that doesn't have what I need, or fit one of these 3ph units. The Atlas unit (called SHF) is a beautiful thing but 250kg and quite big (833mm W, 601 D, 1027 H so a volume of 2x washing machines, eek. The Asea equivalents are broadly the same. That's a lot of engine room to consume compared with the sunseeker fitted unit and I dont think this will work in SL96A with everything else that's going in the e/room, alas.

So at the moment I am headed for having no unit at all, and running generator when I encounter a "bad" berth. Not 100% happy about that of course, but it seems a necessary compromise. (I will have 3ph shorepower isolation transformer to stop electrolytic corrosion, but that's a whole nuther thing). If I did Greece I could just buy a dockside unit to carry in the garage.

 

[jfm]

What kind of performance and fuel figures are you expecting at various speeds? I remember you had an extra fuel tank fitted to MII. Is this the standard fuel capacity on this SL96, or is it already upgraded to "extended range"?

With a bigger boat, do you see yourself spending more time at displacements speeds? maybe more overnight passages and "enjoy the ride", or will you use it more or less like the SQ 78?
With 10.000 liters, you got many hours at D-speeds, but I'm guessing 12/13 hours + reserve at high cruise.
Was there an option for even bigger tanks?

Thanks sap_2k.

I think I'll do a bit more displacement speed running, but I still expect plenty of cruising at 18kts. Not really much interested in 23kts+

I think in litres per mile and the stats are below including 1 generator running. The numbers are big - this thing weighs 110 tonnes full. Certainly for long runs 13 knots looks highly attractive!

I asked about bigger fuel tanks but it was too difficult due to having to having to move the other structural tanks (water, grey and black); there are times in these projects when it's better to concede and not insist the builder does it. 10,350 litres feels ok to me, even though I would love 14,000, which is what Princess Y and X 95 offer, by the way, and sunseeker 95 has 12,000. The UK builders win hands down over the Italian builders, on fuel tank size .

Also, with this size of tank (and on my previous boat = 7,300 litres) ) I never applied the "20% reserve" principle That makes no sense to me on this sort of machine - 2000 litres is far too much to assume doesn't exist. 10% is more like it.

Speed		9​	11​	13​	14​	16​	19​	23​	26​
Litres/hour		84​	141​	211​	297​	411​	581​	663​	797​
Litres/ nm		9.3​	12.8​	16.2​	21.2​	25.7​	30.6​	28.8​	30.7​
Fuel capacity, prudent (actual tank is 10,350)	9000​	9000​	9000​	9000​	9000​	9000​	9000​	9000​	9000​
Range		964​	702​	555​	424​	350​	294​	312​	294​