bluetooth
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Yeah saw that link before.
Whats the link that is "lies" from the company that you are unhappy about.
New boat sellers doing themselves no favours
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Yeah saw that link before.
Whats the link that is "lies" from the company that you are unhappy about.
petem
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For the 200 and all other established Models the website couldn't be any clearer over what's standard and what's an optional extra. It's just that the 205 is new and the website hasn't been updated yet. Are you really going to reject a boat for that?
petem
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I assume it's this - SAXDOR 205 – Saxdor Yachts
As I've just said above, the website says "Are you considering the purchase of Saxdor 205? It will be soon available in our Build Your Boat configurator."
This is the link for the older 200 which has the full spec - SAXDOR 200 – Saxdor Yachts.
bluetooth
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Pete, assuming will get u told off!
If it is that site then whilst 205 is incomplete, the 200 site clearly outlines standard and optional equipment. No idea why BP feels this is lies or poor marketing.
I'm still recovering from seeing the base price of a new Fairline T40, then the VAT and then the extras coming in circa 700/750k. Makes the originals in the naughties amazing value!
henryf
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What a strange thread.
I took a look at the “honestly presented” Compass boats linked to. The first thing I noticed was that they didn’t have a chart plotter, so that would have to be added. No cooking facilities. No emergency toilet. No stereo…… and so the list goes on.
You can buy the standard boat if you want but there’s no guarantee the standard boat fits YOUR specific needs. If you’re saying the standard boat doesn’t come with a steering wheel or other equipment essential to operation that’s different, but I don’t think you are.
As for fully loaded boats being advertised, some dealers might order in a particular specification and then advertise it for sale. You may find it easier to get discounts on extras sometimes.
Cars are no different, the TV advert specifically says the car shown features extras. You may be happy with the standard 17 inch alloys but I want the 22 inch Fandango specials. Similarly I want the deep pile velour interior.
I took a look at the “honestly presented” Compass boats linked to. The first thing I noticed was that they didn’t have a chart plotter, so that would have to be added. No cooking facilities. No emergency toilet. No stereo…… and so the list goes on.
You can buy the standard boat if you want but there’s no guarantee the standard boat fits YOUR specific needs. If you’re saying the standard boat doesn’t come with a steering wheel or other equipment essential to operation that’s different, but I don’t think you are.
As for fully loaded boats being advertised, some dealers might order in a particular specification and then advertise it for sale. You may find it easier to get discounts on extras sometimes.
Cars are no different, the TV advert specifically says the car shown features extras. You may be happy with the standard 17 inch alloys but I want the 22 inch Fandango specials. Similarly I want the deep pile velour interior.
ari
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A boat with lots of extras costs more than a base boat with no extras you say?
Well that is good to know, I'm not sure any of us had realised that.
ari
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Sounds more like a child that hasn’t got is own way
Or one with eyes bigger than his wallet.
SC35
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Many car manufacturers (not Porsche) are cutting the options lists right back and offering maybe three standard specs with "sensible sets of options that many people would want".
It wouldn't be hard for a boat manufacturer to do something similar, rather than just providing a massive options list with a hundred individual prices.
This would be more appropriate for smaller boats.
Is a deep-pile velour interior really a suitable option in a 22ft boat?
It wouldn't be hard for a boat manufacturer to do something similar, rather than just providing a massive options list with a hundred individual prices.
This would be more appropriate for smaller boats.
Is a deep-pile velour interior really a suitable option in a 22ft boat?
henryf
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As someone who's always bought second hand things you're now realising the true cost to the initial owner from new. Second hand cars and boats don't really make allowances for many of the extras fitted, you get a bargain buying used. Some of the extras might be an inducement to purchase but a second hand buyer won't pay you the cost of them back. Financially a base spec car or boat is always going to make more financial sense to the first owner, it might not be as enjoyable to own but it will most likely lose less money.
Daydream believer
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If I was buying a brand new boat, I would not be looking at the resale value. I would be looking at all the bits of bling that I could afford to make it as enjoyable as possible. At least that was how I felt when I bought my boat & that was how I felt when I ordered the wife's new car last month
ari
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I'm not sure Henry is suggesting that you should order the base model, only that adding extras has a cost implication that people buying used don't always appreciate.
henryf
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Absolutely spot on. I’ve found the build process interesting on our F55. Traditionally I’d be a base spec person but on each occasion I bought a pre-specced stock boat there were things on it which I wouldn’t have chosen were I building through the factory but having owned them wouldn’t be without now.
Buy the car or boat you want providing you can afford to own it and understand likely depreciation. Don’t buy on the basis you won’t lose money. Personally when I buy something I immediately write it back to what I think its likely to sell for in my mind and accept it there and then allowing me to enjoy the item in all its glory. Buy for you, bot the next owner.
ari
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This is a good example of the fact that boat dealers have a pretty good idea of what constitutes a sensible specification, so if they are ordering a boat for stock, they will spec it appropriately on the basis that that's what most customers want.
Whining that to do so is a 'total lie' is, to put it very politely, disingenuous.
As has been said, if someone can't afford a new boat to a reasonable specification, probably the best option is the secondhand market where, as you say, the cost of those options to the original purchaser is significantly reduced for the next buyer.
Tranona
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That was exactly my approach when I bought my last new boat. I was buying it to get the enjoyment out of it for the few years I was likely to own it. The only regret was that I baulked at the final bit by not specifying the better sails but the extra price was outrageous - as much as buying a complete suit and no allowance for not taking the basic ones. Upside is that I learnt a lot about sails by buying a new main when the original went like a pair of old knickers!
jrudge
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Based on my current experience sort of. They have the configurator and will type into it.
In practice no. You give them the code and that is what they use for the order.
Moonstruck
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I visited the showroom and had a good look around and discussed various options. I then used the configuration tool on line and then took that back to the showroom. With the salesman I then removed a few items and added a few others. Quite easy to do and means I’ve ended up with the car exactly as I want it.
When I purchased a boat new in 2005 I did exactly the same except the configuration tool was a price list of extras and not a web site!
The principle has always been the same though.
As has been said, unless you are very lucky buying second hand means you get some things you want and some you don’t but the price of these extras is largely absorbed by the original buyer.
When I purchased a boat new in 2005 I did exactly the same except the configuration tool was a price list of extras and not a web site!
The principle has always been the same though.
As has been said, unless you are very lucky buying second hand means you get some things you want and some you don’t but the price of these extras is largely absorbed by the original buyer.
Sianna
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Nick has done a nice review on the Saxdor 205
julians
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thats presumably one of the reviews/articles that BP is taking exception with - given that the headline on the video is "£32000 boat", when I suspect the actual boat being reviewed comes in at a fair bit more. As I said up there its not saxdor being dishonest, but the review headline is a little misleading - even if during the review itself he talks about various options. But its standard practice and most people will be/should be aware .
ari
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Actually says in the description
Price is for approximate guide purposes only and can vary considerably depending on location and specification
I think most adults are aware that optional extras cost extra.
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