Leslie frank
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I agree with Tranona. Looks great for med sailing and med mooring... unlike my heavy old centre cockpit semi long keeled ketch. ... horses for courses!
New Benjenbav - spot the difference
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Ingwe
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Certainly looks fun, although for a long offshore race the helm could do with a small deflector in front of them so they aren't getting quite as wet!
westhinder
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My thoughts exactly.
This was in relatively flat water, I imagine they will be shipping even more water once the seas correspond to the wind. I wouldn’t want to endure that for hours on end.
John_Silver
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Reckon RM are onto something, with their RMxx80 series designs. Which sport a Class40 style deck breakwater. Here on a render for the new RM980
And, in the flesh, on an RM1080. Which I took a look over last summer. Siting the 'coamings' right outboard provides sheltered space for setting up fenders / offwind sails, out of the reach of wave action. Without impeding "step off," coming alongside. Although it is intended as an in port sunbathing area, with side bench backrests removed. If only those wheels weren't pushed so far aft (or, better still, were tillers).
And, in the flesh, on an RM1080. Which I took a look over last summer. Siting the 'coamings' right outboard provides sheltered space for setting up fenders / offwind sails, out of the reach of wave action. Without impeding "step off," coming alongside. Although it is intended as an in port sunbathing area, with side bench backrests removed. If only those wheels weren't pushed so far aft (or, better still, were tillers).
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Frogmogman
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Lots of thoughtful design details on RMs.
I’ve always been a big fan of the way the primary winches are positioned inboard, so you can safely get your body weight over the top of the winch in complete safety and comfort.
westhinder
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I’ve only sailed on the 8.90, quite a capable and well thought out boat, pretty fast as well.
The placement of the primaries that far forward puts them totally out of reach of the helm, which is a serious drawback for shorthanded sailing.
John_Silver
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Yes - that's my big beef - as a singlehander. On the old RM1070 the ('custom') tiller option gave you best of both worlds: primaries in reach AND inboard.
Unfortunately tiller(s) are less easy to add to the RM1080. In fact, after much discussion (with RM’s front man Cesar) the conclusion was that it wasn't possible. Primaries might be within reach on the RM980 though.
Seems to be an unwelcome design trend: to have primaries out of reach of helm. For solo sailing anyway. Current gen Pogo's have gone that way. Ovni too. X-Yachts, Dragonfly and J's as well. All say 'use the pilot.' BUT I came back from Biscay last season (solo) fighting an intermittent pilot fault. Began coming through the Raz. Put into Brest: replaced bits & tested. Failed again off Le Four. Rewired power supply in Roscoff. Which seemed to resolve matters. Manageable because I can tack, gybe & reef with the tiller wedged between my knees on Stargazer..... (And this was a 3 season old, professionally installed, EV-100 pilot btw)
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John_Silver
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Not often you see a cleat for the snubber built into the anchor locker. Detail from a different RM1080. Like you say, thoughful touches.....
westhinder
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As a solo sailer you’re always heavily dependent on your windvane or autopilot, but if it goes wrong you have to be able to manage the boat, so primaries out of reach would be a dealbreaker
geem
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How do you stop the snubber from rubbing in the grp?
John_Silver
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With difficulty....You have a point......At least they were thinking about use of a snubber.
John_Silver
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Better effort on the Ovni 370. Integral snubber cleat mounted higher, with direct lead to a dedicated roller at tip of ‘sprit. Not sure about sailing performance / upwind ability though. Lovely secure cockpit and impressive deck saloon accomodation. With (most unusually, in latest designs) plentiful & practical stowage. Even a wet locker. No more drying foulies in the shower!
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Tranona
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Worth looking at the video tour in English. Lots of really practical features. Particularly liked the technical room OVNI 370 - Homepage
westhinder
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Not sure about the direction of pull on that cleat. Looks more like a token effort rather than something I’d like to rely on in a blow and waves
John_Silver
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Ovni must agree. The pic in the post was taken on an early boat, which I was aboard in 2022. A boat review shot last summer shows this improved cleat arrangement. With a better angle of pull. (Although, being an ali boat, the cleats are welded, rather than bolted, which must also add strength)
Roberto
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Hello John,
is the photo mirrored? Left is right/right is left?
John_Silver
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My photo in post # 212 is un-manipulated. The video screenshot, in #215, I can’t vouch for. See why you ask though. In ‘my’ pic the chain exits to port, in screenshot to port......possible explanation is that 'sprit is twin roller (see below). Although the second roller looks more intended for the snubber / a mooring line. rather than for anchor stowage. Although, if the anchor were a roll hoop type, that's where it would have to go......But possibly some manipulation in the video. It's here (should open @ relevant bit).
Roberto
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Yep sorry, the windlass is a Lofrans Cayman, it usually comes with the chain gipsy to starboard and the rope drum to port; I have a (rarer) factory version with both gipsy and drum to starboard; the picture/videos shows both gipsy/drum to port, I was wondering if they have introduced a third version
paulbrown22
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Personally much as I love the Ovni's I'm not a fan of the first arrangement trying to pull the cleat off the bulkhead, or the later arrangement with the cleat underneath the windlass which is a pain to reach, especially if trying to work it under any tension. On our Ovni 385 we just led the snubber line back to the main deck cleats and never had any issue, and some of the Ovni's had a central welded foredeck cleat for that usage.
