Mooring help

[alant]

Friend is considering purchase of a 22' lift keel boat & is looking for a swinging (or other) mooring in Keyhaven/Lymington/Christchurch, before finalising deal.

Any forum help appreciated.

 

[Seajet]

I would steer clear of Christchurch unless your chum has balls of titanium, tons of experience, or no imagination at all ! Even if still alive, it's very limited tide-wise for getting in & out.

Lymington sounds expensive but I suppose a mooring outside in the river may be OK; check if there's anywhere to leave a dinghy, a sizeable one with outboard will be required if it's in the river.

Keyhaven - don't know, would think available suitable moorings a bit scarce ?

How about Cowes or Poole ? Both much more likely of a reasonable and available deal...

 

[geoffatstanpit]

Christchurch

I would steer clear of Christchurch unless your chum has balls of titanium /QUOTE]

For a 22ft lift keel Christchurch isn't a problem. Except in a SE gale the entrance is manageable and well marked in the season. Probably a couple of hours either side of LW the shingle bar is a bit shallow and there are even shallower bits in the main channel up the harbour by Blackberry Point. There are lots of moorings close to the entrance and under Hengistbury Head (Council ) and up Stanpit Creek (Strides Boatyard or Water Board).

 

[Seajet]

Christchurch; pah, nothing to it

I would steer clear of Christchurch unless your chum has balls of titanium /QUOTE]

For a 22ft lift keel Christchurch isn't a problem. Except in a SE gale the entrance is manageable and well marked in the season. Probably a couple of hours either side of LW the shingle bar is a bit shallow and there are even shallower bits in the main channel up the harbour by Blackberry Point. There are lots of moorings close to the entrance and under Hengistbury Head (Council ) and up Stanpit Creek (Strides Boatyard or Water Board).

Hmm...

I happen to have a 22 lift keel boat too, though that's hardly the point, have also been sailing a while.

I was once at Christchurch entrance ( visiting by road ) and observed the ebb at what I hope was full chat.

Powerboats were struggling to make way, and when a full size scaffolding plank come down tide & hit the overfalls at the narrows, it was thrown quite a few feet into the air; I made a mental note on the lines of " I've always gone straight from the Solent to Poole or further West - FFS keep doing so ! "

 

[alant]

I would steer clear of Christchurch unless your chum has balls of titanium /QUOTE]

For a 22ft lift keel Christchurch isn't a problem. Except in a SE gale the entrance is manageable and well marked in the season. Probably a couple of hours either side of LW the shingle bar is a bit shallow and there are even shallower bits in the main channel up the harbour by Blackberry Point. There are lots of moorings close to the entrance and under Hengistbury Head (Council ) and up Stanpit Creek (Strides Boatyard or Water Board).

Know of any available?

Know Rossiters & Elkins, Which one is Strides?

 

[alant]

I would steer clear of Christchurch unless your chum has balls of titanium, tons of experience, or no imagination at all ! Even if still alive, it's very limited tide-wise for getting in & out.

Lymington sounds expensive but I suppose a mooring outside in the river may be OK; check if there's anywhere to leave a dinghy, a sizeable one with outboard will be required if it's in the river.

Keyhaven - don't know, would think available suitable moorings a bit scarce ?

How about Cowes or Poole ? Both much more likely of a reasonable and available deal...

He lives near Keyhaven, so a mooring would be minutes.

Poole, 1 hour both ways by car, Cowes 1 hour both ways by car + ferry both ways.

 

[Martin_J]

Alant
I think Cracknore Hard (at the top of Southampton Water) would be closer than either Poole or Cowes then. I had a GK24 and then a Sun Odyssey 29.2 moored there with them for many years.
Still a very friendly membership and I may just rejoin again as a social member....
Check them out here..
http://www.cracknore-hard-sailing-club.org.uk/index.html
No clubhouse as such but monthly social meetings in the local yacht club... moorings constantly maintained... dinghy storage... and so much space around you can even sail off the mooring and back on again if you so wish.

BTW - Did you ever get that satellite dish working - I have one on the boat and it usually takes just a few mintes to set up.. no signal strength meter involved. Will update the other thread if you want more info!

 

[Seajet]

He lives near Keyhaven, so a mooring would be minutes.

Poole, 1 hour both ways by car, Cowes 1 hour both ways by car + ferry both ways.

And minutes to meet his maker if he gets it wrong (anyone mentioned the shifting channel too ?!).

I drive an hour and a quarter each way to my club, as it's by far the best - safest, most pleasantly sheltered - I can afford without increasing my costs by a huge magnitude for any dubious gain.

If convenience, especially 'drive to' time is top priority, don't bother with sailing or even a mobo !

 

[Twister_Ken]

Lymington no chance unless he lives within x miles of the parish church (where x is a small number.) even then there's a long waiting list.

 

[alant]

Alant
I think Cracknore Hard (at the top of Southampton Water) would be closer than either Poole or Cowes then. I had a GK24 and then a Sun Odyssey 29.2 moored there with them for many years.
Still a very friendly membership and I may just rejoin again as a social member....
Check them out here..
http://www.cracknore-hard-sailing-club.org.uk/index.html
No clubhouse as such but monthly social meetings in the local yacht club... moorings constantly maintained... dinghy storage... and so much space around you can even sail off the mooring and back on again if you so wish.

BTW - Did you ever get that satellite dish working - I have one on the boat and it usually takes just a few mintes to set up.. no signal strength meter involved. Will update the other thread if you want more info!

Was testing the sat dish & lost power on the control box for some reason. yet to take it back for possible replacement, good job dish wasn't on roof. Controller just died, without any connections altered, causing it to blow. Hope these are reliable - Ross Tech help very helpful when contacted though.

 

[ianat182]

Alant. My pal has a mooring in Keyhaven that partlly dries for his Pageant. He told me that Keyhaven were now only laying moorings for shallow draft yachts, this was from the Harbour master there.
Worth a call I'd guess, however it will need a dinghy to get to the possible ones he may have there -about 20mins from the quay in an inflatable, or 10mins from the little bridge next to the Hurst causeway where the moorings are most like to be.

ianat182

 

[alant]

Alant. My pal has a mooring in Keyhaven that partlly dries for his Pageant. He told me that Keyhaven were now only laying moorings for shallow draft yachts, this was from the Harbour master there.
Worth a call I'd guess, however it will need a dinghy to get to the possible ones he may have there -about 20mins from the quay in an inflatable, or 10mins from the little bridge next to the Hurst causeway where the moorings are most like to be.

ianat182

Thanks Ian, done that & aware will need dinghy for trots.

 

[ianat182]

I see you double posted in the Scuttlebutt, I thought I'd lost my post and replied again there too!!

ianat182

 

[geoffatstanpit]

Which one is Strides?

Postcode BH23 3NR on Google earth is 100 yards north of the Yard.

 

[CreakyDecks]

Tell your friend that if he wants to put a lift keel boat on a swinging mooring he will need plenty of room! It is amazing how little wind is required for mine to sit in completely the opposite direction to all the ones with keels and the tides where I am are pretty strong.
I don't like hanging stuff of the stern in case the rope wraps around the outboard leg. (I leave the motor locked down in its well to save my back.) Luckily we have loads of swinging room!

 

[seumask]

Christchurch can be difficult to get in and out, but that’s one of its great assets, small boats with shallow draft should on the whole find it suits them, with the big caveat that you need to understand when you can and can’t get in and out, which will put more restrictions on you, however that is reflected in the price. On the handful of occasions we have sailed in there it’s been great and the club up at Christchurch has been very friendly.

 

[Seajet]

Tell your friend that if he wants to put a lift keel boat on a swinging mooring he will need plenty of room! It is amazing how little wind is required for mine to sit in completely the opposite direction to all the ones with keels and the tides where I am are pretty strong.
I don't like hanging stuff of the stern in case the rope wraps around the outboard leg. (I leave the motor locked down in its well to save my back.) Luckily we have loads of swinging room!

CreakyDecks,

not all lift keelers have flush bottoms with the keel up.

My Anderson 22 has the 900lb cast iron ballast bulb remaining outside, it's about 2' 6" long, 12" deep and veed on top to fair in with the hull.

With this, the skeg and a small part of the lifting rudder staying immersed she behaves just as the fixed keel boats, though depending on the mooring she may float earlier with 2' draught, which can lead to conflict in over - tightly spaced moorings if the wind has changed while the boats were dried out.

I have made a point of observing my and surrounding boats behaviour over the years, both from on board ( I wish more people would spend some time aboard on their mooring ) and taking aerial photo's when I get the opportunity.

The only 22' ish lift keelers I can think of offhand which have a truly flush ( very vulnerable to my mind ) hull with keel raised are the E-boat & Evasions.

 

[alant]

CreakyDecks,

not all lift keelers have flush bottoms with the keel up.

My Anderson 22 has the 900lb cast iron ballast bulb remaining outside, it's about 2' 6" long, 12" deep and veed on top to fair in with the hull.

With this, the skeg and a small part of the lifting rudder staying immersed she behaves just as the fixed keel boats, though depending on the mooring she may float earlier with 2' draught, which can lead to conflict in over - tightly spaced moorings if the wind has changed while the boats were dried out.

I have made a point of observing my and surrounding boats behaviour over the years, both from on board ( I wish more people would spend some time aboard on their mooring ) and taking aerial photo's when I get the opportunity.

The only 22' ish lift keelers I can think of offhand which have a truly flush ( very vulnerable to my mind ) hull with keel raised are the E-boat & Evasions.

Who is the best to insure something this size (of relatively low value, but would need 3rd party)?

 

[CreakyDecks]

Who is the best to insure something this size (of relatively low value, but would need 3rd party)?

I use craftinsure.com They weren't the lowest quote but the only one lower I got wanted a survey done, which would have probably cost me ten times what I would have saved! Frankly, I find the idea that anyone would want a survey done on something that cost less than a second hand car a joke.

 

[citycash]

Re_Insurance

We were in Chistchurch for eight years, loved it!
Insured with St Maragarets (Now called - Haven Knox Johnson) around £180 - pa for a 28 footer.
Christchurch is the Best place to keep a yacht if sailing is not your main priority