Linssen Boats - good or bad?

[SimonX]

Boy that is a lot of wood!
Nice looking boat, at 14m it is a typical size for most in our club too, at 11m our boat is at the smaller end of the size with most being over 12m, and 18m the largest in the club
For the Netherlands/Belgium DSC VHF is fine for the sea, for inland it needs to be able to be switched to ATIS, spec looks fine for inland, AIS is starting to become mandatory in some areas and from July it will be the preferred method for going through locks as they start to roll out remote control in more areas.
The stabilisers are a bit over kill for inland unless you are thinking of going places like the Ijsselmeer or other open water areas.
We don't have any bow or stern thrusters but they would come in handy at times, and I have seen some boats that have to use them extensively in the locks, especially some of the larger steel boats.
We do not have a TV system on board, not seen the need, plus there is no "over the air" TV broadcast in Belgium since quite a few years.

BiL is going to have a look but I don't think its a realistic option. We would be stretching financially and its draft and airdraft are getting a bit close for French canals. We've been excluding boats that don't have bow thruster (and stern thrusters on boats with single engines). One of the Brooms we looked at had two stern thrusters!
Yeah, the stabilisation is overkill. The Linssen 40 we are looking at has a Starlink dome on the mast although that obviously would need a subscription and we don't actually watch TV much

 

[Alicatt]

Yes we did look at some flybridge type boats in The Netherlands but the air draught on them was too much,
Hunter is:
4.8m everything up
4m with antennas down and curtesy flagpoles off
3.8m with the radar arch down and mast still up
3.5m to the top of the windscreen all else down
2.5m with the windscreen down too

That can come and go a few cm depending on fuel and water on board. full water and fuel comes to about 1.5tonnes,

 

[SimonX]

Yes we did look at some flybridge type boats in The Netherlands but the air draught on them was too much,
Hunter is:
4.8m everything up
4m with antennas down and curtesy flagpoles off
3.8m with the radar arch down and mast still up
3.5m to the top of the windscreen all else down
2.5m with the windscreen down too

That can come and go a few cm depending on fuel and water on board. full water and fuel comes to about 1.5tonnes,

This has a folding mast which takes it to 3.5m. The 40 is slightly less (3.3) and its screens can be dismantled, not a quick task and not one which you would want to do often.

 

[Skipper Felice]

Hence the idea of trying the 40 before buying. The 45 is very nice but it’s big and more than 150k Euro more.

You will find this ... and that ... and always another one ...: You will find houses - villas - sportscars ... and nice yachts for your dreams.

But you have to come to some basic descision: Size of boat | yachting location / region | budget ! | +/- age.
After looking at different boats our basic descission was Italy - Sardegna - Coast to Naples. We came to the point that an Azimut best fits our plan: 46 - 50 - 55 ... but with a spacious galley, 2 cabin version (!) and the 3th skipper cabin.
We did searches from Spain to France to Italy .... We found a nice Azimut 46 - 20 years old - spacious, a lot of wood internals - good CAT engines - good maintenance ... And we made the deal within one day with owner during a small seatrial in France.

If I would like to have a boat around Holland I would go for a Linssen: 40 / 45 Sedan.
Try Sanzi Yacht Charter for renting all Types of Linssens - thy are also a large dealer: Linssen SL Series - Sportliche Luxus-Motoryacht zu verkaufen in Sneek

 

[SimonX]

More options: In-laws have found two Linssen 43.9 AC which seem a good compromise between the 40 and 45 both size and price-wise.
One has a VolvoPenta D3-150 same as the 40, the other has a Steyr MO126K25, 120Hp. Anybody know anything about this engine?

 

[Greg2]

My understanding is that Steyr engines are okay. Some discussion on 2017 thread here

 

[Sticky Fingers]

Usual caveat of having a nearby service agent would make sense.

 

[SimonX]

My understanding is that Steyr engines are okay. Some discussion on 2017 thread here

The perils of AI

Further down the same page it actually says it is a 3.2 litre 6 cylinder marine diesel engine. Seems to be mostly used in military applications. This boat has 2400 hrs on it which seems a lot.

 

[Greg2]

2400 hours might seem a lot but it should be put into context that it is a diesel on (I assume) an inland boat running at displacement speeds so as long as well maintained it is probably absolutely fine with a very long way to go yet before any kind of serious maintenance is required.

To put it into context I was chatting to a fishing industry chap yesterday and he mentioned a used boat with 28,000 hours on the engines, which he referred to as being ‘nothing’! I know we are talking different engines here but it does illustrate where the leisure boat market mindset is at.
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[paulbrown22]

2400 hours might seem a lot but it should be put into context that it is a diesel on (I assume) an inland boat running at displacement speeds so as long as well maintained it is probably absolutely fine with a very long way to go yet before any kind of serious maintenance is required.

To put it into context I was chatting to a fishing industry chap yesterday and he mentioned a used boat with 28,000 hours on the engines, which he referred to as being ‘nothing’! I know we are talking different engines here but it does illustrate where the leisure boat market mindset is at.
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That does very much depend on the engine though, and maintenance/usage. E.g. a large cubic capacity low revving M1 rated John Deere or similar, of the sort you find in Nordhavns, FPB's, offshore fishing vessels, etc., if correctly used and serviced you'd expect to get to 30-50,000 hours with no issues. And you can generally rebuild in place if/when that does need doing.

But your typical higher revving smaller capacity leisure boat engine that squeezes out far more hp per litre is never going to last as long, and a rebuild is generally an engine out (or even replace) job.

That being said, even on a lesiure engine I wouldn't necessarily describe 2500 hours as high if properly maintained and propped, but you might find some of the ancillaries start to need replacing.

 

[SimonX]

It looks like we may have found THE boat.
Or rather, the in-laws have.
2011 Linssen 43.9 Mk1
VolvoPenta D3 150Hp with 1400 hours, bow and stern thrusters, generator, aircon, washing machine. No radar
It's in very nice condition if not quite as immaculate as the two 40.9’s we looked at but is only a little more expensive than the dearer of the two of them
In-laws sent a video as we were on a plane when they were viewing.
Wife and SiL love the funny little porthole window beside the galley/dinette.
Only negative they could come up with was it is ‘very beige”. Beige bump rope, beige stripe, beige hood, Beige cockpit seating, beige saloon seating, dinette seating, curtains, mattresses, etc.
So, as the wife said, “We need to allow for lots of new curtains, cushions and COLOUR!"
There is another one but it is 2016 and much more expensive and is grey inside with a sort of limed finish to the woodwork
Only problem is I can’t go and see it this week as I have a medical issue as mentioned elsewhere. Hopefully the meds will help enough to enable me to do our trip to Edinburgh this weekend for the rugby, Netherlands Monday to see the boat and Dublin Friday for the next rugby.

If the pills don’t work, maybe I won’t be boating at all!

 

[Sticky Fingers]

Great looking boat, your wife has obviously already bought it if she is talking about cushions and soft furnishings!

 

[SimonX]

Great looking boat, your wife has obviously already bought it if she is talking about cushions and soft furnishings!

I think, if it wasn’t for the medical problems, we’d be sent in a surveyor shortly. The in-laws said they got a good feeling on the boat and with the servicing records and logs. The other couple involved are going to look tomorrow. There is a third bost that has come on the market in Netherlands and a fourth in Denmark so there is choice if we miss this but it would be a shame if we did.

 

[Dino]

Lovely looking boat.. now you can go and buy the Broom for yourself

 

[SimonX]

Lovely looking boat.. now you can go and buy the Broom for yourself

I was quite happy with the smaller Linssen (or the smaller Broom for that matter)

 

[Sticky Fingers]

I think, if it wasn’t for the medical problems, we’d be sent in a surveyor shortly. The in-laws said they got a good feeling on the boat and with the servicing records and logs. The other couple involved are going to look tomorrow. There is a third bost that has come on the market in Netherlands and a fourth in Denmark so there is choice if we miss this but it would be a shame if we did.

Ok. There is definitely always going to be another one out there, it’s a relatively mass-produced product, so it’s a question of finding the right one on the market at the time that you actually want to buy. Same would be true if you were looking at the Brooms. Judging from the boats that you’ve been posting, your budget won’t be a problem, so you’ve definitely got the luxury of being able to choose the best one available in your price range, and in the geography that you want to focus on.

Nice problem to have!

 

[SimonX]

Ok. There is definitely always going to be another one out there, it’s a relatively mass-produced product, so it’s a question of finding the right one on the market at the time that you actually want to buy. Same would be true if you were looking at the Brooms. Judging from the boats that you’ve been posting, your budget won’t be a problem, so you’ve definitely got the luxury of being able to choose the best one available in your price range, and in the geography that you want to focus on.

Nice problem to have!

Well. I'm not sure I'd say budget isn't a problem. Bringing other people in has doubled what we can afford. Initially we said we'd spend £100k plus what we got for the Bayliner (£36k) which was Broom 38 territory. She fell in love with a 42CL so we said we would push to £180k, £200k absolute Max. This is £305K split 50/25/25 which I am comfortable with whereas the Linssen 45 we looked at last time we were over was £450k which was well out of my comfort zone but the other were OK with.
Buying in Netherlands makes a lot of sense for all parties

 

[Greg2]

Lovely looking boat!

The beige (more often referred to as taupe) canopies appeared some years ago to rival the ubiquitous navy blue. Luckily I like both!

 

[SimonX]

Lovely looking boat!

The beige (more often referred to as taupe) canopies appeared some years ago to rival the ubiquitous navy blue. Luckily I like both!

The Broom 39KL at NYA had a blue canopy in some pics on their website but beige in others (and in reality). I know which I prefer

 

[tico]

Bought our Prinny from Zeeland a few years ago. The Dutch are very direct as regards contracts - Full payment due within 7 days of agreeing sale. However they are great to deal with and the broker arranged surveyor for the next day and transport (Van De Wetering).
All very easy.