LifeJackets - is everyone a pansy these days?

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'Ere now Tidewitter! I am a well 'ard harness wearing sailor man /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif I aint dead yet!............

Gosh, you're lucky, I feel dead from the neck down at the moment- it's the beer, I really must get back to the Rugby.......
Just one more post.......

Well, only from the neck up! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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I first played front row at 11- if Vickery is a Grand Old Man now, I have been legally brain dead for 40++ years now.
That explains why I'm a Pansy- all that binding- I need to feel trussed up /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
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It would largely depend on the conditions. I have a pack of pen flares velcro'd inside my life jacket, so I can at least call attention.

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Hmmm, that's a good idea! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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Keep them away from the gas hob tho'- see earlier post! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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To save me trawling through the whole fred........enlighten me (crap pun).......anyway, it's ok, I haven't got a gas cooker! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Mrs made me take out the meths burners and put in gas- sopmething to do with the lizards crawling out of the Pimms! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
It was back in the Paelozoic era of this thread- page 8;
Re: LifeJackets - sometimes more of a hinderance than a help. [Re: Fireball]
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Could someone come round and help me please;

I am a registered fully paid up pansy (see some of my posts!) but my LJ crotch strap has got tangled in the zip of my heavy seaboots+ the leash of my h/h DSC VHF, and my helmet strap buckle has got stuck round my safety line, which has wrapped round my asbestos gloves, which have snagged in the sash of the PVC pinny we use when pouring out the kettle. And my pack of miniflares is dangling over the lit gas hob, my safety light and plb leashes have tangled together and caught on the galley safety strop and round my LJ/harness quick release buckle and SWMBO isn't due back for another hour.

I need an Elf & Satiety Risk Assessment urgently.
Some help, a knife, a fire extingusher, and a stiff drink would not come amiss either!

have a good weekend everyone

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When the water turns brown and the gulls are walking- Tack!


I REALLY must get back to the Rugby!!!!!!
 
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Another issue - It's common to wear a LJ in the tender going to the pub on the basis that that's the most likely time to go in. Would it not be better to be mobile in the water to swim to get out of the cold water ASAP? Easier without a LJ?

Just questions.

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Have you ever tried to swim in wet clothes and boots? A LJ will give much needd buoyancy and if you swim properly (i.e. on your back with wide arcing arm movements) you'd be surprised how much progress you can make.

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Errr, the very first thing I'd be ditching in the water is boots and clothes - modesty isn't really an issue when you have 5-30 mins of life to get out of the water! I can cover 1km in 25mins in water below UK summer time temps which might give me some hope of getting out. Maybe I'd get out quicker with an LJ but I'd need to see some figures to be fully convinced.
 
Try a sea survival course and the results will speak for themselves! All the things that seem so easy from your armchair suddenly become draining and a hindrance. Coupled with a mere three foot swell and rain coming down on you, survival rather than a leisurely skinny dip becomes the order of the day.
 
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Try a sea survival course and the results will speak for themselves! All the things that seem so easy from your armchair suddenly become draining and a hindrance. Coupled with a mere three foot swell and rain coming down on you, survival rather than a leisurely skinny dip becomes the order of the day.

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Rain is a problem to someone in the water? Why?
 
Again, when you've had the training/experience, come back and make these statements again. You have a lot to learn my friend...
 
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You have a lot to learn my friend...

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So it would seem - exactly what problems does rain give to a man in the water?

I was also tempted to ask where you typically anchor and take the dinghy ashore to the pub in a swell of several feet but you can explain the rain thing first!
 
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Rain, coupled with spray and breaking surf, may instantly forbid breathing, as well as secondary drowning.

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I guess a doc or medic will be able to explain the mechanism but we had to learn about its existence on my First Aid course (good thing to do, that, probably more important than wearing a LJ?)
 
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Rain, coupled with spray and breaking surf, may instantly forbid breathing, as well as secondary drowning.

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4ft swell swell, spray and breaking surf? You like your anchorages & dinghy trips to the pub a little more lively than me!

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Secondary drowning:

Pulmonary oedema and resulting asphyxia, resulting from hypoxia and increased permeability of pulmonary capillaries occurring in a patient who has been immersed in and aspirated some water.

Water, regardless of its salt content, will damage the inside surface of the lung, collapse the alveoli and cause edema in the lungs with a reduced ability to exchange air. This may cause death up to 72 hours after a near drowning incident.

Very much a problem of water particles from rain, spray etc.
 
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4ft swell swell, spray and breaking surf? You like your anchorages & dinghy trips to the pub a little more lively than me!

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To be fair mate, I think it's you who is on some sort of trip... /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
So called secondary drowning results from osmotic damage to the lungs. The primary cause is inhalation of spray, not simple suffocation. And fresh water is a far more potent cause than salt water. Heavy rain on the sea can indeed make breathing impossible and, amazingly, the water you are inhaling is almost entirely fresh water.

So spray from heavy rain is a double whammy.
 
That's interesting to know, it was put to us that the the problem usually occurs after someone has nearly drowned and then been revived. But come to think of it, a LJ isn't going to help much in those conditions so presumably secondary drowning is not relevant to the LJ discussion?
 
Wrong again /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif Think spray hood as the answer.

life jackets, the best piece of kit some people leave behind! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
Yes,it's entirely relevant, as good LJ's will have spray hoods, and if you've done any training, then the relevance of a spray hood becomes immediately apparent, as does the requirement for crotch straps.
 
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I agree, I for one have never heard any suggestion that people should refrain from swimming in heavy rain. I hope whipper_snapper is going to cite some cases of a 'rain drowning' at sea because I'm keen to learn more about this but I can't find any cases with the aid of Google. The name of one or more victims would help a lot.
 
Sorry, couldn't resist.

I hate to say it is well known, but it is well known that spray is a major killer for someone in the water. That is why spray hoods are recommended.

A pure drowning victim has little or no water in the lungs because of the reflexive closing of the throat. But if you have a lifejacket and are kept afloat in rough water you inhale a lot of water. Inhalation of water kills you not primarily by suffocating you, but by its effect on blood volume. Fresh water, when it hits the semi permeable membrane of the lungs, simply crosses and increases your blood volume, eventually it stops your heart. Salt water has a smaller effect, but in the opposite direction; it 'draws' water out of your lungs. Both also directly damage the cells of the bronchioles by their osmotic effects on the cells themselves.

Heavy rain can increase the amount of water inhaled and increase the damage it causes.
 
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