MikeB.
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Test MUST be done 48 hours in ADVANCE of your visit!
Lat Flow test needed for Soton Boat show.
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dom
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Who decides on what those inviolable fundamentals are? Even a Constitution can be amended.
And how can a non-democratic society protect anything? Like in Afghanistan today.
longjohnsilver
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Er, no!
- Visitors above the age 5 years of age will be required to undertake a lateral flow test within 48 hours prior to arriving at the show
ashtead
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I have ordered mine -await delivery with some excitement to see if after 2 jabs, a hospital operation and a number of previous pre opp tests it really adds anything to my safety in visiting SBS. Surely up to the individual now to have the jabs or not attend .
Daverw
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Back in the real world many of us working are doing twice weekly tests anyway and have been for the last 5 months, what’s the big deal
Tranona
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No need to order them - collect from most pharmacies, although the order from the website arrives the next day.
Tranona
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But your logic of only doing things that you approve of will also lead to discrimination. Our society resolves these issue by consensus. There is always a tension between the rights of groups or individuals . There is nothing new about this dilemma, only the form it takes is new.
What I am more interested in is you answering the question I posed in post#91. You have a habit of avoiding answering questions related to the claims that you make.
ProDave
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As I posted earlier in the thread I did a test today for a boating event tomorrow. a few observations:
The instructions said you MUST report the results of the test if positive but said no such thing if it was negative. I decided to report my negative test if nothing else to try and report a fair representation of test results. with no obligation to report a negative test, then the percentage of tests positive figure they keep reporting is meaningless if a lot of people with a negative test don't bother to report it as they are not instructed to do so.
I have received an email acknowledging my negative test. Is that my "proof of a negative test" that they keep on about on tv, "you must show a negative test result to get in to the event"? I would have expected something more formal? My phone does not do emails very well but that email is readable should anyone wish to see it. but i thought I would get some better document with a QR code for them to scan or something?
The instructions said you MUST report the results of the test if positive but said no such thing if it was negative. I decided to report my negative test if nothing else to try and report a fair representation of test results. with no obligation to report a negative test, then the percentage of tests positive figure they keep reporting is meaningless if a lot of people with a negative test don't bother to report it as they are not instructed to do so.
I have received an email acknowledging my negative test. Is that my "proof of a negative test" that they keep on about on tv, "you must show a negative test result to get in to the event"? I would have expected something more formal? My phone does not do emails very well but that email is readable should anyone wish to see it. but i thought I would get some better document with a QR code for them to scan or something?
longjohnsilver
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In England you can see the result of your test on the NHS app, in addition to a text and email confirming your result.
laika
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This is still going on? How come no-one called Godwin after post #81?
Whilst I'm supportive of the right of the organisers to put whatever restrictions on this voluntary-to-attend show and happy to do this test, being the first time I've done one of these tests I was a little disappointed about the amount of personal information the government are requiring in order to report the result. email address, phone number DOB, ethnic grouping, NHS number, exact address....if they want demographics surely age and postcode are good enough and if they want to send your result or contact you for test and trace then *one* communications medium is all that is needed. Surely they want to encourage testing and reporting, not give ammunition to the anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists?
Apparently I don't have COVID so I'll be in southampton tomorrow. Given that the majority of the boating community (from observing behaviour in marina buildings and marine services shops) are mask-dodgers I hope I'm still COVD free this time next week.
Whilst I'm supportive of the right of the organisers to put whatever restrictions on this voluntary-to-attend show and happy to do this test, being the first time I've done one of these tests I was a little disappointed about the amount of personal information the government are requiring in order to report the result. email address, phone number DOB, ethnic grouping, NHS number, exact address....if they want demographics surely age and postcode are good enough and if they want to send your result or contact you for test and trace then *one* communications medium is all that is needed. Surely they want to encourage testing and reporting, not give ammunition to the anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists?
Apparently I don't have COVID so I'll be in southampton tomorrow. Given that the majority of the boating community (from observing behaviour in marina buildings and marine services shops) are mask-dodgers I hope I'm still COVD free this time next week.
capnsensible
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In the meantime, hundreds of thousands of football fans will be packing the stands without fear that an ss storm trooper will crash into their kitchen and demand papers.
Just a simple test....
Return of fans: FAQs
Just a simple test....
Return of fans: FAQs
capnsensible
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Of that list, what information haven't you already given up to 'the government'?
Google knows far more.....?
laika
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What's more important, persuading the anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists that testing is for the protection of society rather than a shady government conspiracy and that they should be on board for everyone's good, or to proclaim your membership of the group which is anti-anti-vax?
john_morris_uk
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You don’t HAVE to fill in all those details to register the results if I understand it correctly. But as the gov know lots about me already I don’t care. (As if the gov cares anyway!)
laika
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As far as I could see there was no way to avoid filling in those details other than putting false ones in.
If the government has all the information anyway, why can't they streamline the process so it's easier for the user? Surely they want to encourage use? And you may not care. I may not care (other than it being a pointless time suck) . But we're not the people that are avoiding being tested because of privacy fears. To encourage the maximum number of people to test, they should ask only what is needed.
....but I fear we are drifting off topic and I support the right of the organisers to be asking for this.
pvb
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Any government or NHS IT system is intrinsically flawed, which is why they cost so much and never work properly.
lustyd
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Or just to comply with their own data protection act and the GDPR? There's a reason they made themselves exempt, and it's because they don't want to follow the rules. As it stands the UK don't have exemption under GDPR so technically they are breaking EU law if European citizens turn up and get tested and provide this info.
dom
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Please expand on your technical interpretation of the European laws, charters, and constitutional requirements upon which the ECJ might be asked to rule.
lustyd
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Since we left the EU the UK has been a "third country". While an exemption might be on the way it is not yet in force and as such none of the UK list of exempt parties are exempt from the law, and neither is it currently acceptable to use a UK data centre for EU citizen data. Happy to quote article numbers if you like, but it's only 68 pages so I'm sure you'll find them.
Interestingly, for most of this year the UK DPA also didn't allow data storage of UK data in UK data centres. Not a lot of people know that.
bdh198
Active member
Just out of curiosity, is there anyone who was genuinely intending to go to the Southampton Boat Show who is now not going solely on the basis they will need to complete a lateral flow test and register the result on the NHS app before attending?
If there are, then on the one hand I feel for the exhibitors and small businesses who are hoping to generate some business from footfall at the show. However, from a purely selfish perspective, I’m secretly quite glad there might be people who can’t see through the smog of conspiracy theories and their muddled thinking on the motives behind the test in the aftermath of the pandemic, and will mean there are fewer people getting in my way while I enjoy the show.
If there are, then on the one hand I feel for the exhibitors and small businesses who are hoping to generate some business from footfall at the show. However, from a purely selfish perspective, I’m secretly quite glad there might be people who can’t see through the smog of conspiracy theories and their muddled thinking on the motives behind the test in the aftermath of the pandemic, and will mean there are fewer people getting in my way while I enjoy the show.
