Graham_Wright
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Just a thought - If the cables are soldered not end to end but side by side (as it were) with heat shrink over the double end, the stress problem might be avoided.
Well firstly he's clearly not up to date on current standards in the marine industry
In fact, he's not even up to date with standards in the lift industry more than thirty years ago! From soldering everything in sight we changed to using crimp connectors instead virtually overnight due to the significant production and reliability benefits
How about some evidence for that? I'll be sure to point it out to him. I hope you'll understand I don't ask him to prove everything he says, otherwise he'd never finish a lecture..
I'm sure he's aware of the restrictions on leaded solder, but we weren't talking about commercial work.
However, it is now actively considered bad practice and to be avoided. Given the availability of far better alternatives, do it at your peril is all I'm saying!
Current British / European Standards etc.
Why? You need to explain rather than statements.
Which standard?
A single simple reference from an authoritative source would suffice. No one's going to trawl through all that, are they?RCD, BSS, BMEEA Code of Practice referencing ISO10133, ISO13297, etc. etc. I don't make this shit up you know. Costs a lot of hard earned to keep up to date with it all
A single simple reference from an authoritative source would suffice. No one's going to trawl through all that, are they?
Why not? I have to
Take the advice or leave it, I don't care. Like I said I'm not getting into an argument over it
Well, this issue crops up time and time again, and no one has yet provided a reference source on the matter. You could put an end to the disagreements once and for all, simply by pointing to a specific reference..
I've done so. It will cost you close to a grand however to access the documents in question so how does that help?
Odd that you seem happy to take the word of a college lecturer on the one hand but won't accept the word of a qualified engineer with over forty years experience on the other
All battery cables listed at Checklist Item 3.2.2 must be fitted with soldered or crimped lug connectors or other pre-made connections of suitable proprietary manufacture
I SO 13297 (2014) for a start, that is marine specific, RCD for another but that is a bit of a circular reference. NMEA0400 standard for another.Which standard?
So what are we to make of that?
That a little knowledge is no substitute for a lot of knowledge
The reference you cherry picked is in regard to battery cable terminations, not jointing two wires. And that guide is more than a few years out of date (dating as it does to 2005 and referencing standards that have been updated since it was written). Plus the BSS is a somewhat parochial and in places more than a little perverse standard for inland craft which was written (arguably badly) to facilitate inspection and certification by lightly trained BSS inspectors rather than qualified marine surveyors (I should know given that I was involved in its original formulation acting on behalf of inland waterways users - it's a bit messy but nowhere near as bad as was originally proposed)
I SO 13297 (2014) for a start, that is marine specific, RCD for another but that is a bit of a circular reference. NMEA0400 standard for another.
11.6 Solderless crimp-on terminals and connectors shall be attached with the type of crimping tool designed forthe termination used and for producing a connection meeting the requirements of 11.13.1
11.13 Each conductor-to-connector and conductor-to-terminal connection shall be capable of withstanding a tensileforce equal to at least the value shown in Table 1 for the smallest conductor in the connection for 1 min, withoutseparating.
After reading this, I, for one, accept that tinning and soldering are not a good idea - and I've done both in the past.
Why are choc blocks worse than crimped connections, or those push-fit choc-block-like things?