Is this on?

[snooks]

In Yarmouth on Saturday night, the harbour was full, we'd booked a place on the walk ashore, and in spite of a computer mix up, we'd got it There were no other yachts rafted to yachts on any of the outer arm of the walk ashore.

0110 a boat (who will remain nameless) comes along side, wakes everyone up onboard our boat as they raft up, three of them go ashore to (I guess) to use the facilities and come back. To their credit they were quite quiet, Owning the same boat as ours, prolly means they know how loud foot steps can be down below.

Why me?

They stay along side over night, until they wake us up again at 0610 when they all go shore again, and at 0625 they leave.

There were free buoys outside the harbour, or plenty of marinas in Lymington

Is wanting to use an onshore toilet, and avoid paying for a berth a good enough reason to disturb another crew?

Or to put it another way....Am I right to have the hump with this boat?

 

[TiggerToo]

In Yarmouth on Saturday night, the harbour was full, we'd booked a place on the walk ashore, and in spite of a computer mix up, we'd got it There were no other yachts rafted to yachts on any of the outer arm of the walk ashore.

0110 a boat (who will remain nameless) comes along side, wakes everyone up onboard our boat as they raft up, three of them go ashore to (I guess) to use the facilities and come back. To their credit they were quite quiet, Owning the same boat as ours, prolly means they know how loud foot steps can be down below.

Why me?

They stay along side over night, until they wake us up again at 0610 when they all go shore again, and at 0625 they leave.

There were free buoys outside the harbour, or plenty of marinas in Lymington

Is wanting to use an onshore toilet, and avoid paying for a berth a good enough reason to disturb another crew?

Or to put it another way....Am I right to have the hump with this boat?

Hi Snooks, sorry to hear that. Prolly next time YOU use the mooring buoys if you want peace and quiet. Or better still: find somewhere nice to drop the hook. A harbour is not a place for a quiet night...

 

[Poignard]

Quote ;Am I right to have the hump with this boat?
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No.

 

[exfinnsailor]

Name and Shame ummmm ..

Why not just name and shame umm .. Might save someone else a nightmare night .. We have just returned from Turkey .. We had a BBQ ashore with 5-6 boats rafted up .. In the morning the outside boat was asked for a departure time .. As he had had a few beers the night before he wanted a swim and a shower .. Be about 1 pm .. The raft broke up at 10 am ..

 

[Cantata]

.....Or to put it another way....Am I right to have the hump with this boat?

No.

 

[jimi]

IMHO, this is completely antisocial, come in late, raft up wake everyone up, leave early to avoid paying and wake everyone up, not something I'd do myself

 

[johnalison]

Agreed. The idea that anyone in a popular harbour has given up their rights to privacy and a night's sleep seems to be widespread. I hope Snooks asked the Harbour Office if they were intending to charge them.

 

[Cantata]

I really don't agree with the majority, it seems, on this one. It's a working harbour, it's open and accessible 24 hours a day.
You say the people were very quiet even though you were woken up (understandably, and I'm sure I'd wake up too). But who's to say that, for instance, one of the crew didn't have a medical problem and needed to be brought ashore? OK, a bit unlikely, but entirely possible.
If they'd made a load of noise, that would be entirely different.

 

[Boomshanka]

The 'delights' of staying in UK (and perhaps particularly South Coast) marinas in my view. It's why I always use the outside trots at Yarmouth... no problems getting in and/or out at a time to suit you, no noise during the night, cheap and efficient water taxi, and... most of all... a clear view to the horizon for what has to be the best sunsets (and sunrises) in the Solent.

 

[GODOT]

Soory Snooks, but 'twas I .. sorry but the MIL was on board and she was doing my head in cos she was constipated and could'nt use the heads, so I had to come in so she could visit the loos, hope her high heels did'nt mark your decks too much .. but she thought she might need them to start things off.

 

[snooks]

Prolly next time YOU use the mooring buoys if you want peace and quiet. Or better still: find somewhere nice to drop the hook. A harbour is not a place for a quiet night...

If it was just my girlfriend and I on board (as it usually is), we wouldn't have booked and would have happily rafted somewhere in the harbour, picked up a buoy whatever....But we were sailing with my girlfriend's parents so I paid £30 for place on the walk ashore for the privilege. My girlfriends parents aren't sprightly, and we thought they would prefer the convenience and modesty the shore access offers

My understanding is that berths on the walk ashore are limited, and rafting isn't allowed on the outside arm. If every other boat on the outer arm had boats rafted on them I wouldn't have minded, but they didn't. So I was a bit miffed to be woken in the early hours.

It's a working harbour, it's open and accessible 24 hours a day.

When the "Harbour Full" sign is displayed, I didn't realise this only applied until 1am, when it seems anyone can ignore it, come in and raft where they want, wake up crews of an unlucky yacht, just so they their crew can use the bogs ashore, then, I guess, leave without paying in the morning

For some reason I thought the "harbour full" sign means what it says, and with no other boats rafted on the outside, and no others allowed in, I would have like to have thought that a "quiet" night was a cert. May be "quiet" is the wrong word, may I should have used undisturbed.

There were a load of services boats also on the walk ashore, so I knew it wouldn't be a silent night, but as it happens we didn't hear a peep out of them, only when we were boarded at 1am were we woken.

If I was in the position of the visiting boat, I would have either A) Picked up a mooring outside, B) Gone to Lymington, C) Tied to the harbour wall used the shoreside facilities before doing A or B.

The thought of disturbing another boat at 1 am wouldn't have entered my mind. Prolly why I thought their actions were a little antisocial. Now I know otherwise, I'll be sailing around in the early hours, mooring where and when I want

 

[srm]

and avoid paying for a berth

How do you know they left for this reason? I often leave marina or harbours at an odd hour to take best advantage of tidal stream or weather conditions.

Sounds as if they were being reasonable by being quiet. Why you? well it was going to be someone and perhaps you have a nice friendly looking boat.

You do sail in one of the most overcrowded areas possible, so at times things like this must be inevitable, for whatever reason.

Just a final thought, can you honestly claim to have never disturbed anyone, at anytime, anywhere, with your boat or other activities ????? Obviously you would never intentionally do such a thing, but perhaps without realising that they may 'get the hump' with what you felt was normal activity.

 

[mikeotteau]

If someone rafts on to my boat without permission I slice thier warps pronto and they can f**k off.

If they ask then consideration about weight of their boat, tidal conditions etc allows me to decide if its safe and appropiate to do so.

No-one has complained to me about cutting their lines so far so they must know they are guilty to start of with.

 

[TiggerToo]

My girlfriends parents aren't sprightly, and we thought they would prefer the convenience and modesty the shore access offers

OK, you wanted to impress FMIL: did they complain about being woken up? I still think that if you choose a harbour, that is what you get (albeit a gentrified one like Yarmuff). If you really wanted the 4* pampering, you'd have better tried getting a berth in a marina.

Anyhow, sleeping in a boat is always subject to disturbances innit. And complaining about it is a bit like moaning about the midges on a highland trekking trip in June.

 

[bedouin]

I think you are being a bit harsh.

Rafting up and leaving at funny times are part-and-parcel of sailing, especially in a harbour like Yarmouth which is both very popular and the only real harbour in that part of the Solent.

It seems likely that the boat was "on passage" and just making a short stop either to wait for the tide or to get a bit of sleep. If they did everything in their power to avoid disturbing you then there is not much more you could expect them to do.

It may well be that they had some good reason for needing to walk ashore (other than just using the facilities) or else they would probably have prefered a buoy outside (assuming one were free)

 

[Litotes]

If someone rafts on to my boat without permission I slice thier warps pronto and they can f**k off.

Extraordinary. You don't think of talking to them? Or to the harbourmaster, who, presumably, has some jurisdiction over who rafts to whom? I hope no-one comes to grief as a result of your line slicing activities, because if they do, I doubt if you will get much sympathy from more reasonable people, or from the courts.

 

[James_Calvert]

If every other boat on the outer arm had boats rafted on them I wouldn't have minded, but they didn't.

Always worth leaving a tender tied on alongside - if you want to be one of the last to be disturbed by people wanting to raft up. You can always move it when requested. Sails dumped all over the foredeck/ cockpit tent up may achieve a similar effect.

Personally, as a visitor, I would often expect to be rafted up, except obviously on a finger pontoon. And I'd put fenders out in the expectation.

When there are no authorities about to give advice, or notices to the contrary, it may (not always as in your instance) be easier, safer, and more acceptable to go alongside a suitable boat already against a quay or hammerhead.

I'm no longer familiar with the Yarmouth situation, but does the Harbour Full sign means anything in the middle of the night - after all, who would update it if boats had left? Or does Yarmouth apply a curfew!

 

[Danny Jo]

If someone rafts on to my boat without permission I slice thier warps pronto and they can f**k off.

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No-one has complained to me about cutting their lines so far so they must know they are guilty to start of with.

How many boats have you cut adrift, then? And please can you tell us the name of your boat, so that we know who to avoid?

It's common courtesy, of course, to ask permission if the occupants of the moored yacht are on board and awake. But in my experience most late arrivals raft up gently and quietly so as to avoid waking their hosts unnecessarily.

Leaving a dinghy alongside is the more acceptable way of indicating an unimaginative and self-centred attitude to other yachties.

(Here's hoping I haven't just fallen victim to a Kurt von Thadden reincarnation.)

 

[srm]

If someone rafts on to my boat without permission I slice thier warps pronto and they can f**k off.

Perhaps you would care to give exact places, dates, times, and type of boat you cut loose. That way the owners may be able to claim for warps and any further damage and the police can decide if they will follow up your criminal activities.

We may not like it but rafting is part and parcel of berthing in crowded areas. Obtaining permission from the inside boat is a courtesy, not an essential. Anyone moving a moored boat is liable for any subsequent damage caused, and deliberately casting a boat adrift as you describe is likely to be a criminal act.

 

[jimi]

But in my experience most late arrivals raft up gently and quietly so as to avoid waking their hosts unnecessarily.

Tell that to the people that rafted onto us at 1 am, bent a stanchion despite megetting out of bed to help them, then had a long argument culminating in their hysterical daughter threatening to chuck their cat overboard and then effed of at 6 in the morning without leaving a forwarding address for the bill for damage!