Is this on?

[fergie_mac66]

Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeotteau View Post
If someone rafts on to my boat without permission I slice thier warps pronto and they can f**k off.




In the early summer where we were rafted up , a American boat came into a harbour,which shall remain nameless,on the west coast,.A boat up against the wall refused his attempt to raft up twice. Shortly thereafter the berthing officer ejected the refuser .

 

[Wandering Star]

I actually don't see a problem at all, I don't think twice about rafting up when somewhere is congested. It's possible the boat Snooks complains of was (wrongly imo) trying to be thoughtful by not attaching shorelines at 1.30am in order to reduce multi tramples across Snooks deck. Snooks himself says they were quiet so what is the problem? Before this thread I'd never considered not rafting up, neither have I ever shooed anyone away to stop them rafting alongside me. I have occasionally suggested using shorelines but usually this has been to inexperienced crews, never caused or received back any unpleasantness and remember, we were all inexperienced at one time or another.

I can honestly say that in 50 years of sailing I've never encountered or handed out any unpleasantness, sailing for me is about relaxing and enjoying the ambience of whatever situation arises without reacting adversely simply because another crew acts in a way I might not. Just accept the situation. I'm obviously not talking about extreme cases of unsocial behaviour such as loud music and drunken hi-jinks at 3.00am, nor am I talking about acts which put my (or their) boat at risk of damage, I'm just talking about much lesser annoyances (to some people) caused by perception not reality.

The reality is, in a crowded harbour someone (possibly me) is quite likely to raft alongside. What's the actual problem apart from the fact you personally don't want them there? And at 1.30am, do you really want me knocking on your deck to ASK if you mind me rafting alongside?

Cheers, Brian.

 

[Phoenix of Hamble]

Glad you said that Brian....

We enjoy having people raft alongside. Its been the source of many a great evening with a shared bottle.

 

[TiggerToo]

....The reality is, in a crowded harbour someone (possibly me) is quite likely to raft alongside. What's the actual problem apart from the fact you personally don't want them there? And at 1.30am, do you really want me knocking on your deck to ASK if you mind me rafting alongside?

Cheers, Brian.

sanity at last.

Bet there were some very effective trolls lurking under the bridges of this thread

 

[Poignard]

Brian [Flobbergob] is right.

Funny how the sailing world, as perceived by some contributors[?] to this forum, is a place of hostility, grievance and occasional violence while the real world of sailing experienced by rest of us is one of good humour, tolerance and helpfulness.

Maybe this forum acts as a kind of safety-valve. A parallel universe where those who wouldn't dare say boo to a goose can safely swagger about pretending to be tough and threatening what they would do to anyone who rafts up on them or bumps their boat.

 

[NealB]

I actually don't see a problem at all, I don't think twice about rafting up when somewhere is congested. It's possible the boat Snooks complains of was (wrongly imo) trying to be thoughtful by not attaching shorelines at 1.30am in order to reduce multi tramples across Snooks deck. Snooks himself says they were quiet so what is the problem? Before this thread I'd never considered not rafting up, neither have I ever shooed anyone away to stop them rafting alongside me. I have occasionally suggested using shorelines but usually this has been to inexperienced crews, never caused or received back any unpleasantness and remember, we were all inexperienced at one time or another.

I can honestly say that in 50 years of sailing I've never encountered or handed out any unpleasantness, sailing for me is about relaxing and enjoying the ambience of whatever situation arises without reacting adversely simply because another crew acts in a way I might not. Just accept the situation. I'm obviously not talking about extreme cases of unsocial behaviour such as loud music and drunken hi-jinks at 3.00am, nor am I talking about acts which put my (or their) boat at risk of damage, I'm just talking about much lesser annoyances (to some people) caused by perception not reality.

The reality is, in a crowded harbour someone (possibly me) is quite likely to raft alongside. What's the actual problem apart from the fact you personally don't want them there? And at 1.30am, do you really want me knocking on your deck to ASK if you mind me rafting alongside?

Cheers, Brian.

Brian,

Maybe it's an age thing? I've been sailing, and enjoyably rafting up, since the early 1960's.

Done with courtesy, and properly executed, it adds to the bonhomie, and experience, of boating.

I go sailing, in part, to get away from the predictability of shore routines: an occasional interrupted night's sleep is all part of the fun of life on the water (whether it be caused by an early morning start to catch a tide, or by a fellow sailor arriving alongside in the middle of the night).

Some of the attitudes expressed here show a total ignorance of time honoured maritime practices, and an even more shocking lack of basic civility and charm.

Shame on those who do not welcome others alongside!

 

[snooks]

Just to clarify, I don't have any problem with rafting up in an area where everyone else is rafted up, I'll happily raft and be rafted, it's a good way of meeting people and having a chat, I don't always insist on shorelines, although I will always (if possible) run lines ashore...Rude not to IMHO...for the simple reason that you can't trust anyone to tie up their boat properly

What I objected to was being woken up by someone who thought the the Harbour Full sign didn't apply to them, and then raft along side me where rafting isn't allowed.

From the Yarmouth Harbour website:

Restrictions on Mooring Space

On Saturday nights during the summer the Harbour is often full to capacity and on occasions the Harbour Master has to turn away yachts. Entry to the Harbour may be temporarily suspended on these and other occasions when:

1. by day a red flag is flown from the flag pole on the Wightlink jetty and signs with the words "Harbour Full" are exhibited on the end of the Wightlink jetty and on the Dolphin at the west side of the Harbour entrance.
2. by night the "Harbour Full" sign on the Wightlink jetty is illuminated.

 

[Litotes]

Funny how the sailing world, as perceived by some contributors[?] to this forum, is a place of hostility, grievance and occasional violence while the real world of sailing experienced by rest of us is one of good humour, tolerance and helpfulness.

Exactly. We create the world in which we exist. We can choose to make a our contribution to keeping it enjoyable, or we can help to make it that little bit less so. In the end, we do tend to reap what we sow, one way or another.

 

[fergie_mac66]

Well said :-
NealB
Flobergob
Niel_Y

I wonder if there is a difference between south and east/west coast?

Its good to know there are some out there that hold on to traditional
seamanship/values.

 

[Elemental]

Rafting up outside other boarts is standard practice with warps LED TO SHORE - If someone ties their boat to mine WITHOUT PERMISSION I am free to untie/cut warps to save damage to my boat and tough on the inconsiderate persons who think they can tie on to my boat without getting permission.

I know of three friends who have suffered with damage to cleats and topsides through people rafting onto them without permission and not one offered to pay for the damage caused. If you dont like it dont raft onto my boat - you have been warned. You dont know the name of the boat ?? Now decide how much you want to risk tying on to a strange yacht.

Unbelievable (must be a troll). I'm simply cannot understand how someone in their right mind can be so bitter as to cut the lines of a boat. It's attitudes like this that create bad feeling all round. Life is too short without getting stressed about relatively small issues like this. This, and other stresses about racing fleets and the like amaze me.

I'm fairly new to boat ownership, but have sailed for years and rafting up is one of the greatest ways of meeting new friends. Sure, sometimes there's some noise (from the other boat or from mine) If I want a quiet night I go somewhere quiet and anchor. I don't have any friends who have suffered damage to cleats, but I guess your friends (?) must have poorly constructed boats...

I seriously hope I never encounter you or any like you, anywhere, anytime - troll or not. And I hope that plenty of people knock on your boat at 0100 and seek your permission.

 

[fergie_mac66]

Just to clarify, I don't have any problem with rafting up in an area where everyone else is rafted up, I'll happily raft and be rafted, it's a good way of meeting people and having a chat, I don't always insist on shorelines, although I will always (if possible) run lines ashore...Rude not to IMHO...for the simple reason that you can't trust anyone to tie up their boat properly

What I objected to was being woken up by someone who thought the the Harbour Full sign didn't apply to them, and then raft along side me where rafting isn't allowed.

From the Yarmouth Harbour website:

One day when its blowing a nice force 7. I hope its you on the other side
of the harbour full sign .If I am against the wall with nobody rafted up against me ....... I will get up,welcome you to raft up against me at 2 Oclock in the morning and offer you a cup of tea.

 

[snooks]

One day when its blowing a nice force 7. I hope its you on the other side of the harbour full sign .If I am against the wall with nobody rafted up against me ....... I will get up,welcome you to raft up against me at 2 Oclock in the morning and offer you a cup of tea.

It wasn't a F7, It was blowing all of 10 knots (according to bramblemet), buoys were free outside, Lymington across the way.

I wouldn't have woken you up

 

[fireball]

I think I would've been slightly peeved - but only really at being woken up twice in the space of a short few hours.
They may have had a pressing reason to need to get to shore (perhaps their heads were knackered?) and temporarily rafting against a similar vessel is probably the best place to be.
But all the reasons don't stop it being annoying that you were woken up in the early hours - ho hum!

As for our friend who will cut the lines of anyone who rafts alongside without his permission - please, do let us know your boat name so
1) we can refuse any request from you to raft
2) we can refuse to assist your vessel when it is in trouble (oh - we'll save your life - just not your vessel - it should be the other way around, but we could be arrested for that!)
3) we can make a note of where you're moored and knock on the side at 0330 in the morning to ask if we can raft alongside.

 

[snooks]

They may have had a pressing reason to need to get to shore (perhaps their heads were knackered?)

To quote Mike Peyton:
Eye, takes a real man to block a bucket!

 

[fireball]

to quote a well known nursery rhyme ...

There's a hole in my Bucket dear Lisa dear Lisa .....

 

[snooks]

There's a hole in my Bucket dear Lisa dear Lisa .....

Get the bucket, and chuckit!

 

[fireball]

perhaps that's why they needed to come ashore - can't be disposing of a bucket at sea ... not environmentally friendly is it!

 

[Blue5]

perhaps that's why they needed to come ashore - can't be disposing of a bucket at sea ... not environmentally friendly is it!

If they were that desperate at that time of the morning they could have tied up to the fuel pontoon, its nearer the bogs

 

[fireball]

Lot's of whatifs ....

 

[curve]

I read this thread with dismay. Some poor yacht crew tired after a long journey can't even raft up to another boat quietly and use the onshore facilities without their neighbour tutting and ranting. And then they can't even slip their lines early to catch a tidal gate without their actions being questioned. A sad day for Solent yachting.