Is this on?
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islandsailor
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All I wanted was sleep, not insults thank you
But he does make a good point they may have had a really good reason to come ashore and they kept noise to a minimum. I don't mean this as an insult but don't you have bigger things to worry about? Have you checked with Yarmouth that they didn't pay?
curve
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Wasn't there a similar thread like this about people absconding from Yarmouth without paying? Can't remember who started that thread.
l'escargot
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In the general context of rafting you wouldn't have any grounds for complaint. However, I seem to recall that rafting is specifically prohibited on the walk ashore pontoon in Yarmouth. If that is the case your nocturnal neighbour was in the wrong. Perhaps the Yarmouth HM should invest in some "no rafting" signs like the ones they have in Lymington for when the raft is full.
Scotty_Tradewind
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I seem to agree with this possibility,
Graham Snooks really does seem to be taking a bit of an 'old auntie' attitude here.
Why didn't you pop your head out and make a quiet enquiry Graham, it would have saved you all this angst?!
And just when you got back to sleep the 4:15am ferry docked and dropped its ramp with a clank.
NealB
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I belive you do have the right, through long established maritime custom.
You also, therefore, have an obligation to lie alongside in a manner that will not cause damage. In my experience, such damage is extremely rare.....in fact, I can't recall of any incident that I know of through first hand knowledge.
If a larger boat wants to lie outside me, and I'm not happy about it, it's usually no problem for me to move out, let him have the inside, then go longside him. No need to refuse permission.
Some people here seem to be paranoid that others are out to deliberately damage their boats. How on earth do they ever relax?
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NickiCrutchfield
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Of course it's on; it happened.
Danny Jo
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. . . or, indeed, get any sleep at night.
I feel unaccountably guilty if I sleep a full eight hours on my boat. It's as if I have neglected my duty to be aware of everything that is going on. The best nights are those when I sleep a bit, am woken by a new noise, get up to check it, go back to sleep again, and so on. I don't half feel virtuous when I get up in the morning.
Years ago I chartered a yacht on Lake Okanagan in British Columbia. One of the crew was terrified. She woke me in the middle of the night to tell me: "The anchor is dragging."
"What makes you say that?"
"I can see the stars moving."
Two years hence, Snooks, you'll wonder what all the fuss was about.
Seven Spades
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Well you are in danger of sounding lioke Victor Meldrew. It is a shame you are such a light sleeper, nothing wakes me.
However you say they were quiet and they went ashore, perhaps they went to pay. If the offices were closed and they were off early the next morning (Cherbourg?) then what else culd they do if there is no one around to pay?
I think you are right they should not have rafted up on a walk ashore, but I have seen the Harbour Full sign out when one pontoon was almost empty. I am not sure why they do that, I can only assume that they do it to prevent a free for all when they go home, they usually like to manage the berthing.
However you say they were quiet and they went ashore, perhaps they went to pay. If the offices were closed and they were off early the next morning (Cherbourg?) then what else culd they do if there is no one around to pay?
I think you are right they should not have rafted up on a walk ashore, but I have seen the Harbour Full sign out when one pontoon was almost empty. I am not sure why they do that, I can only assume that they do it to prevent a free for all when they go home, they usually like to manage the berthing.
NealB
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Seven Spades,
Nice picture, nice boat.......if it is our 'friend', you've done a great social service (if not, you'd better apologise double quick!).
If this is our man, MG will be spinning in his grave.
I've got all MG's books (including several first editions - I'm a particular fan of his). His relaxed, thoroughly competent, quiet cruising style, was the very antithesis of 'Mr Otteau's' ignorant aggression and rudeness.
Nice picture, nice boat.......if it is our 'friend', you've done a great social service (if not, you'd better apologise double quick!).
If this is our man, MG will be spinning in his grave.
I've got all MG's books (including several first editions - I'm a particular fan of his). His relaxed, thoroughly competent, quiet cruising style, was the very antithesis of 'Mr Otteau's' ignorant aggression and rudeness.
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snooks
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Graham Snooks really does seem to be taking a bit of an 'old auntie' attitude here.
Why didn't you pop your head out and make a quiet enquiry Graham, it would have saved you all this angst?!
I'm not angry, I was just dissapointed.
I did pop my head up to make sure everything was alright, and to see what had just hit us and they came in with a bump - well anything feels like a bump when you're inside
and although there was someone in the cockpit when I opened the hatch, nothing was said.Personally I wouldn't have done what our neighbour did (entering a harbour they weren't s'posed to enter, raft where they shouldn't have rafted etc), if that gives me a bit of an "old auntie" attitude so be it. I would have shown a little more consideration to the harbour, other boat owners and their crews.
If playing by the rules and taking into account the feelings of other boat owners and respecting them isn't something others do, at least now I know that now.
I was taught to respect others and treat them as I would like to be treated, and I'll continue to live that way
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Elemental
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What would you have done in their position then?
curve
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I did pop my head up to make sure everything was alright, and to see what had just hit us and they came in with a bump - well anything feels like a bump when you're inside
I thought that you originally said that you went back to sleep and now we have this extra information. Why didn't you say good evening to them?
Poignard
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MikeOtteau said: I know of three friends who have suffered with damage to cleats and topsides through people rafting onto them
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Being a friend of yours must be a hazardous occupation.
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Being a friend of yours must be a hazardous occupation.
Boomshanka
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snooks
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I'd have done one of these:
- Picked up one of the free buoys outside
- Gone to Lymington (2.5 miles on a beam reach away)
- Moored alongside the quay (or even the fuel berth) if my crew were that desperate for a stationary toilet, then gone for a buoy outside or Lymington.
snooks
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islandsailor
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Cos it was the morning
How about Good morning then.....
Thistle
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Why?
The chappie next to me was narrowing the fairway in the harbour by rafting up where he shouldn't. He had entered the harbour when entry was temporarily suspended, and not obeyed the harbour byelaws
"Let him who is without sin throw the first stone." I guess we all break rules at some time - motoring cones and road speed limits come to mind - sometimes by accident and sometimes intentionally (perhaps with good reason.) What we don't usually do is get all hot under the collar when someone else breaks a fairly minor rule. Usually we shrug our shoulders and get on with life; occasionally, if we think it might serve a purpose, we report it to the proper authorities and then get on with life.
In this case it seems the other guy was in the wrong on a couple of counts. No damage was done to you other than loss of a little "beauty sleep"*. Either shrug your shoulders and get on with life or, if you think it might serve a purpose, report him to the harbourmaster and then get on with life.
As others have said, we go sailing for fun and friendship, not to make enemies. Come aboard and join us!
* I guess this thread will do more damage (to your reputation) than the original incident!
