Daverw
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We have similar on the Humber, expected to report entering river and monitoring VTS channels. I recall being told this is on local port / river bylaws
Maybe no requirement until you operate/stray into waters where communication is mandatory. I have to call up two radio stations to gain permission to leave and enter my berth at Ramsgate, a radio is not mandatory but with out it, I can't go anywhere.As there's no requirement for a pleasure vessel to have a VHF installed, how do they enforce that?
If you want to be an RYA affiliated club, then the affiliation process requires you to lodge a copy of your safety management plan showing how you implement their requirements."They’ll need to convince RYA as vhf on safety boat is required for all tidal clubs!"
RYA has no authority or jurisdiction ... they can only require such for RYA run events.
If you want to be an RYA affiliated club, then the affiliation process requires you to lodge a copy of your safety management plan showing how you implement their requirements.
Not many. A club has to be affiliated to be an organising authority according to the Racing Rules of Sailing or to offer training courses. Which are club's major selling points.I have no argument with that ... as I said - RYA run events ... or lets expand it to RYA affiliated Clubs ...
But RYA has no authority as in Law to impose .. but of course failure to follow their GUIDELINES would result in possible loss of affiliation.
My point was the comment I pasted by another implying RYA authority.... and I actually forgot to question the words : ALL TIDAL CLUBS ? Surely there are Clubs who are not RYA affiliated or follow RYA ??
I think you are arguing for the sake of arguing - clearly the RYA’s scope is limited to RYA affiliated clubs, training centres and events. Are you aware of any clubs in the U.K. running dinghy racing which are not affiliated to the RYA? I’m not aware of any. Seems even less likely in the solent where the PMR “proposal” was being suggested - presumably the reasons this was “being discussed” was to make sure interoperability was possible when the boats get together, so if there is a rogue club doing its own thing they’ll not be part of that regional operation anyway.My point was the comment I pasted by another implying RYA authority.... and I actually forgot to question the words : ALL TIDAL CLUBS ? Surely there are Clubs who are not RYA affiliated or follow RYA ??
Let he who is without sin cast the first stoneI think you are arguing for the sake of arguing -
Torpedo boatsAs there's no requirement for a pleasure vessel to have a VHF installed, how do they enforce that?
Meanwhile, out on the water, race teams will be on Ch M, and very likely not listening on 16.I think you are arguing for the sake of arguing - clearly the RYA’s scope is limited to RYA affiliated clubs, training centres and events. Are you aware of any clubs in the U.K. running dinghy racing which are not affiliated to the RYA? I’m not aware of any. Seems even less likely in the solent where the PMR “proposal” was being suggested - presumably the reasons this was “being discussed” was to make sure interoperability was possible when the boats get together, so if there is a rogue club doing its own thing they’ll not be part of that regional operation anyway.
What’s more if there are any, their insurers may well require them to follow the “best practice defined by the sport’s national governing body”. As well as convincing insurers you are not a maverick (high risk) being affiliated has some implications for coding of vessels, adventure activities licensing, competing in / organising World Sailing events, funding for training, coaching etc. Even getting local authority support without being affiliated will make you a whole heap of extra safeguarding requirements which the RYA will help you navigate.
So I’m pretty certain that if there are sailing clubs in the U.K. who have chosen not to affiliate to the RYA - they probably don’t include organised dinghy racing, and most likely have no under 18s if the do.
A dinghy sailing club in the U.K. would need a really good reason not to be affiliated. “We don’t want to have VHF radios on our safety boats” would not be a good reason.
Of course that doesn’t mean they can’t use PMRs, WhatsApp or any other tool for organising the racing etc - but the expectation that they have VHF is a safety one, not a quality of organisation one.
In your World, maybe.Meanwhile, out on the water, race teams will be on Ch M, and very likely not listening on 16.
And many vessels operating in Portsmouth will be on 11.
Sometimes Ch11 in Portsmouth can be full on, you wait several minutes to get an opportunity to speak.
Simply not practical to be listening to any drivel on 16 as well.
That is the reality of what is actually happening in the real world.
When racing in the Solent, simply use the dual watch facility on your radio.Meanwhile, out on the water, race teams will be on Ch M, and very likely not listening on 16.
And many vessels operating in Portsmouth will be on 11.
Sometimes Ch11 in Portsmouth can be full on, you wait several minutes to get an opportunity to speak.
Simply not practical to be listening to any drivel on 16 as well.
That is the reality of what is actually happening in the real world.
I think you are arguing for the sake of arguing - clearly the RYA’s scope is limited to RYA affiliated clubs, training centres and events. Are you aware of any clubs in the U.K. running dinghy racing which are not affiliated to the RYA? I’m not aware of any. Seems even less likely in the solent where the PMR “proposal” was being suggested - presumably the reasons this was “being discussed” was to make sure interoperability was possible when the boats get together, so if there is a rogue club doing its own thing they’ll not be part of that regional operation anyway.
What’s more if there are any, their insurers may well require them to follow the “best practice defined by the sport’s national governing body”. As well as convincing insurers you are not a maverick (high risk) being affiliated has some implications for coding of vessels, adventure activities licensing, competing in / organising World Sailing events, funding for training, coaching etc. Even getting local authority support without being affiliated will make you a whole heap of extra safeguarding requirements which the RYA will help you navigate.
So I’m pretty certain that if there are sailing clubs in the U.K. who have chosen not to affiliate to the RYA - they probably don’t include organised dinghy racing, and most likely have no under 18s if the do.
A dinghy sailing club in the U.K. would need a really good reason not to be affiliated. “We don’t want to have VHF radios on our safety boats” would not be a good reason.
Of course that doesn’t mean they can’t use PMRs, WhatsApp or any other tool for organising the racing etc - but the expectation that they have VHF is a safety one, not a quality of organisation one.
Go on then name me a singe Dinghy Racing Club or Training Centre doing dinghy training/racing on the Solent (which is what was being discussed) which is not affiliated to the RYA. For each one you find I’ll send a £10 donation to one of the Solent independent lifeboat stations. You may have considered my post inaccurate, but it was at best imprecise by not highlighting the obvious theoretical exception. Hopefully my comment was at least slightly useful to any RYA affiliated club considering ditching VHF.No I am not arguing for sake of arguing ... but it sure looks like you are.
My point was the original statement was a sweeping in error comment .....
I agree that Insurers may look badly on a non affiliated club - but again ... I suggest that is not 100% universal ...
Your tone and you are not only one who makes the error of thinking I am too distant / disconnected from UK sailing ... that is far from fact .. I am still an RYA member ... I am involved in discussion groups ... have many close friends sailing Solent and other areas of UK / Ireland ... and make it a point to keep up reasonably with info as it evolves ... I agree that sometimes like EVERYONE else - I step of the rail occasionally ... fair enough.
You could in theory use DW when working on ChM, but I don't think many people do.Isn't that why we have Dual Watch? So Ch16 can continue to be monitored while we are on 11 or 12 for VTS / Harbour master