Hot Liquid stripped of RYA recognition

toad_oftoadhall said:
LOL, you don't know what I'm saying but you *do* know I'm wrong! :-)
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I have never said that you are wrong, just that you take an oposing position and Never come up with any constructive comment or ideas to change what you are critisising. We are all entitled to our opinions,and I welcome debate where opinions differ. Having a debate with you is not possible as you will not entertain the oposing point of view or respond with reasoned comment. In my opinion, of course..........
 
rotrax said:
I have never said that you are wrong, just that you take an oposing position and Never come up with any constructive comment or ideas to change what you are critisising. We are all entitled to our opinions,and I welcome debate where opinions differ. Having a debate with you is not possible as you will not entertain the oposing point of view or respond with reasoned comment. In my opinion, of course..........
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hear, hear.
 
rotrax said:
In a way you are correct. BUT experience gained sailing must be very benificial to improving ones knowledge and skill. Surely after a certain point in ones training you have to go it alone and get on with it. Dont confuse leisure day sailing with blue water passage making. Many of the points you make are not relevant for a new Day Skipper taking his boat from Yarmouth to Poole. The weather info. is avalable from many scources. Armed with a reasonable forecast and a suitable passage plan and a sound craft you would go and continue the learning process while so doing. Information technology has changed almost beond the expectations of Sci-Fi writers in the 64 years I have been alive. We must adapt to it and use it to our advantage as a modern learning tool. The RYA are constantly looking at training and ways to improve it. In doing this they must strike a balance that gives the right training in the right timescale and at a cost that potential trainees are prepared to pay. As I have stated before, for the would be leisure sailor I believe they have it about right.
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Yes, for ordinary circumstances yes.
But not for embarking into heavy weather without having undergone storm training.

I forgot....


The RYA don't do storm training.
They pay lip service to it but they don't actually do it.:eek:
 
VO5 said:
Yes, for ordinary circumstances yes.
But not for embarking into heavy weather without having undergone storm training.

I forgot....


The RYA don't do storm training.
They pay lip service to it but they don't actually do it.:eek:
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Please tell me, and many other interested parties who are following this thread how ANY organisation could "do" practical storm training. As I am sure we all believe, storm conditions should be avoided. First Mate and I are fortunate in owning and sailing a very seaworthy long keel cutter. We have yet to experience a severe storm, and are quite pleased about it. However, I often read Tom Cunliffe's Heavy Weather Cruising and take note of what we may need to do should circumstances demand it. We are as well prepared as we can be, including storm sails (and we have fitted them so we know they will actualy fit!), good ground tackle and liferaft and EPIRB. We hope we never have to use them. To put a vessel into hazzard for training purposes could be a serious breach of "Duty of Care" should it go tits up. In my opinion, of course...............
 
rotrax said:
Please tell me, and many other interested parties who are following this thread how ANY organisation could "do" practical storm training.
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I was in Yarmouth once, berthed next to a boat full of RYA types being *examined* for YM.

It was pretty lumpy outside of the Solent, but fine inside.

The YM candidates decided it was too windy to sail (apparently they don't go out in F8 or above).

We went out that night, plenty of other boats did as well.

If the RYA boat had bothered to go out they'd have a) Had a great night, b) maybe learned something.

So whilst it wasn't practical for those guys to round Cape Horn in a F10 they *could* go out for a laugh in the Solent in a decent breeze. It would be a start.

No idea if that was typical.
 
I was on a friends boat in hamble several years ago. Moored up for the night about to go off for something to eat and one of Hot Liquids yachts turned up. Can't remember the name. The skipper though looked like an overweight Yul Brunner. His idea of training involved driving the yacht between the rows of pontoons straight at the concrete wall near the pub Bannana Wharf, full speed and then banging it into reverse. Massive plume of smoke and a screaming engine. The poor bloody yacht did a sort of courtsey and then reversed full speed out.
After several demonstrations of this, he let each of the students have a go.
I was waiting (hoping) for the gear control to jam in forward. Happened to me once, at slow speed and the results were alarming.
Anyway, they struck me then as buffoons.
 
rotrax said:
Please tell me, and many other interested parties who are following this thread how ANY organisation could "do" practical storm training. As I am sure we all believe, storm conditions should be avoided. First Mate and I are fortunate in owning and sailing a very seaworthy long keel cutter. We have yet to experience a severe storm, and are quite pleased about it. However, I often read Tom Cunliffe's Heavy Weather Cruising and take note of what we may need to do should circumstances demand it. We are as well prepared as we can be, including storm sails (and we have fitted them so we know they will actualy fit!), good ground tackle and liferaft and EPIRB. We hope we never have to use them. To put a vessel into hazzard for training purposes could be a serious breach of "Duty of Care" should it go tits up. In my opinion, of course...............
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It is not that difficult.

Instead of recommending people to read Heavy Weather Sailing (Adlard Coles) ...and then letting them to get on with it as best they can, :rolleyes: the topic ought to be delivered in a properly structured fashion in a series of specific dedicated lectures in a classroom.

Following these, a question and answer session at the end of each lecture delivered.

Following this, a series of videos showing vessels doing the wrong things in heavy weather, from fishing boats to trawlers, from passenger liners to freight carriers, from patrol boats to vessels under sail.

After all the theoretical aspect is delivered, then the class invited to go out to sea, in fair weather for them to enact what they have been taught and for each to take turns at being skipper and for all of them to demonstrate the skills learnt.
 
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I once did a "Heavy Weather Sailing" week on a Challenge yacht, out of Plymouth in October, they used to run them regularly.
Learned a lot about weather systems, used the storm sails, used the Emergency Tiller, Boarded over hatches,got out the Liferaft, (very heavy) practised MOB and recovery,and went sailing to the Scilly Isles at night in quite windy conditions. Had a great week and learnt a lot. Also all about wearing the right gear and doing up all the wrist seals etc, and harnesses.
(Couldnt get out of Salcombe one of the days!) And a lot of us were seasick. Skipper was David >>>?
 
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