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It's great we waited until all the facts are known and a report published before starting a thread about it. Very (capt)sensible ;).
I feel you are getting yourself into a bit of a tangle. Nothing wrong with starting an accident thread. Nothing wrong with idle daydreaming about made up reasons. Just don't be surprised when reports written by people who know what they are talking about makes idle speculators seem a bit mentally challenged.
 

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Yes, refreshing that a thorough and in depth report was put into the public domain. Just Google HMS Astute grounding. 22nd October, 2010.
It's OK, I saw the report when it was released. The sub's behaviour was terrible, so was the tug's. A sorry tale altogether.
 

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It's OK, I saw the report when it was released. The sub's behaviour was terrible, so was the tug's. A sorry tale altogether.
Well the OOW on the bridge was underwhelming. Far too complacent in my view. The OOW below should have been more proactive in supporting the PO on the plot.

Loved reading the speculation at the time though..... :)
 

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Well the OOW on the bridge was underwhelming. Far too complacent in my view. The OOW below should have been more proactive in supporting the PO on the plot.

Loved reading the speculation at the time though..... :)
To anybody who knew the waters - or anybody who didn’t but looked at the round Red and Green things - the Astute incident was absolutely incredible. Could have done better if somebody had pulled out their iPhone to show the position - or pointed to the buoys. “Should have been more proactive” is perhaps a £1bn understatement.
 

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To anybody who knew the waters - or anybody who didn’t but looked at the round Red and Green things - the Astute incident was absolutely incredible. Could have done better if somebody had pulled out their iPhone to show the position - or pointed to the buoys. “Should have been more proactive” is perhaps a £1bn understatement.
Yeah it's a bit underwhelming how far the bridge watchkeeping team pushed for a certificate in advanced muppetry with headline gaining results. It was so easily avoidable by a firm warning from the nav plot and a request for captain to the control room. That's what I would have done. :cool:
 

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Yeah it's a bit underwhelming how far the bridge watchkeeping team pushed for a certificate in advanced muppetry with headline gaining results. It was so easily avoidable by a firm warning from the nav plot and a request for captain to the control room. That's what I would have done. :cool:
It wasn't your sub then. 😀
 

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The top brass have spoken:

The ship was 1/2 mile from the reef travelling at 6kts, hitting the reef at 10 kts (+?)
Their timing suggests this took 2 minutes
The bridge crew in charge and the Captain will be up for the "interview without coffee"

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What precisely was wrong the the BBC report that allows you to call it “drivel”? For a non technical audience.
Not 'drivel' but very lightweight even for a non technical audience.

I've just checked the time of sunset and it seems it was still daylight when she grounded.
If you look at photos of her bridge layout it would be very easy to become disorientated especially if buttons rather than switches are involved. And good design would have any indication right under the nose of the person with the con - not 'over there somewhere'.

HMNZS Manawanui (2019) - Wikipedia

I had a hell of a fright once on an unfamiliar ship - in the dark - when I thought I was on bridge wing control but wasn't.

Trouble is, the people who design this stuff never go to sea with it.
I picked up - at the design stage - that at the centre console on one ship when you reached for one button your wrist was right over a small joystick. The joystick was a tiller that over rode the autopilot. I pointed out that in the dark somebody pressing the button was going to smack little joystick. Was told 'too late to change'.

Sure enough everyone did it at least once
 
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