Greek Dekpa Cruising permits issuing problems

[Marsupial]

Hang on hang on again!!!!!! read the post I never made that statement
I Said Welcome to Greece and its old fashioned ways. Would you all please stop quoting me, as saying something different
I can get into trouble on my own

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Originally Posted by Marsupial

We've just spent a few days in the new marina south side of Agio Cambos port......no charge.
Even if you do pay it's paltry in most cases. Which part of Greece don't you like the fees?
I'm afraid you need to go to Croatia/Spain/Italy etc, to get the feel of really paying......

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Hang on hang on again!!!!!! read the post I never made that statement
I Said Welcome to Greece and its old fashioned ways. Would you all please stop quoting me, as saying something different
I can get into trouble on my own
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Cheers
bobt

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Last edited by rtboss1; Today at 08:03.


ABOVE this lot is says ORIGINALLY POSTED BY MARSUPIAL

NO IT WASNT! THERE SEEMS TO BE A BUG IN THE SYSTEM

IT SEEMS WE ARE ALL BEING MISSQUOTED!

 

[Tranona]

Back to the original issue. Sems they might have run out of forms in Corfu a long time ago - I got the same answer in 2007!

Anyway, signed up in Mourtos/Sivota on the mainland. Took no more than 20 minutes and they did all their own photcopying.

 

[Moodyjim]

I had the same problem of no DEKPA forms at Gouvia so what restrictions does that place on us when we want to go sailing?

 

[[29051]]

Just for info - not complaining

Simi is now charging harbour dues. About €5 per night for a 34 foot yacht, plus the same each for water and electric, and a "tying-up" fee of €5 for the mooring-men, payable the first night only.

Niseros, Palon are charging about the same per night, and for water and electric, but charge from midnight to midnight so that 1 night = €10. No tying up fee.

Tilos are charging €12 for 1 night, which I think is a combination of "tying-up" fee plus harbour dues.

Plus any yachts which have come in from Turkey to Simi are having to enter formally and pay the €15 euro fee at Simi. Also the port police now have an office in Niseros, Palon, and yachts are being sent there to pay port dues and have their DEKRA stamped. Boats coming in from Turkey are leaving immediately, as it is not a port of entry.

These were all in June this year. Just to clarify, being so close to Turkey these ports have usually just charged a tying-up fee (compulsory tip with receipt issued) if anything. Palon was free last year unless you wanted water or electric. The police in Simi did not want to know, even if you tried to pay. The islands were more interested in getting trade for the restaurants and shops.

The charges are not unreasonable if you are staying in Greece a while, but a lot of boats will not be going to Simi. A friend of ours paid a total of €33 last week, for a 2 night visit, without water or electric. Plus a good hour of walking and queuing in offices. The 2 offices are on opposite sides of the harbour, about as far away as possible from each other.

 

[Appleyard]

Simi is now charging harbour dues. About €5 per night for a 34 foot yacht, plus the same each for water and electric, and a "tying-up" fee of €5 for the mooring-men, payable the first night only.

Niseros, Palon are charging about the same per night, and for water and electric, but charge from midnight to midnight so that 1 night = €10. No tying up fee.

Tilos are charging €12 for 1 night, which I think is a combination of "tying-up" fee plus harbour dues.

Plus any yachts which have come in from Turkey to Simi are having to enter formally and pay the €15 euro fee at Simi. Also the port police now have an office in Niseros, Palon, and yachts are being sent there to pay port dues and have their DEKRA stamped. Boats coming in from Turkey are leaving immediately, as it is not a port of entry.

These were all in June this year. Just to clarify, being so close to Turkey these ports have usually just charged a tying-up fee (compulsory tip with receipt issued) if anything. Palon was free last year unless you wanted water or electric. The police in Simi did not want to know, even if you tried to pay. The islands were more interested in getting trade for the restaurants and shops.

The charges are not unreasonable if you are staying in Greece a while, but a lot of boats will not be going to Simi. A friend of ours paid a total of €33 last week, for a 2 night visit, without water or electric. Plus a good hour of walking and queuing in offices. The 2 offices are on opposite sides of the harbour, about as far away as possible from each other.

Simi is a bit of a hellhole as many will have experienced.It is very deep and anchoring can be a bit hit or miss,also the bottom is rocky in places and it can be a nerve racking experience trying to haul it up. Add to this the constant stream of Gulets in and out,the large ferries causing a wash and the general overcrowding .We won't be back in a hurry.
The town is very worthwhile visiting though and I would suggest that a better idea is to go into Pedi (sp?) which is the bay south of Symi.
There you can anchor off,go alongside or stern to the jetty or use the large unfinished "marina" which is along from the jetty. Work seems to have come to a halt on this project (it is Greece after all) and there is enough space to take several flotillas.However you need to be aware that there are reinforcing rods sticking out from the marina wall at the points where fingers are presumably intended to be constructed,but there is plenty space between these points.
There is a minimarket at the end of the jetty,and the taverna to the left is pleasant and good value .
There is a bus every hour from Pedi to Simi..a euro each way,but it's worth getting off in the village on top of the hill ,some good places there to eat ,and few tourists around.
We stayed there for 2 nights in May and checked in to Greece in Symi town,as you say it's a bit of a hike between offices!!
There was no electricity available ,but we can all live without it for a day or 2.

 

[Chris_Robb]

Back to the original issue. Sems they might have run out of forms in Corfu a long time ago - I got the same answer in 2007!

Anyway, signed up in Mourtos/Sivota on the mainland. Took no more than 20 minutes and they did all their own photcopying.

In Mourtos tomorrow so will try.

 

[ccscott49]

Checked in Gouvia marina yesterday, no DEKPA, paid my 15 euro check in fee, told to get my DEKPA at another port, levkas or preveza. Doesnt seem to be a problem, just marked my check in form with notes to say they didnt have any DEKPA forms, also have to pay 0.88 euros each time you check out of somewhere, although they toild me just pay one fee once amonth at the tax office, all a bit confusing. But no mention of any "special" taxes.

 

[JonJon]

I think 3 years(and counting) to get a set of forms reflects the level of priority that the Greek authorities place on the DEKPA.

 

[scej]

I have been in Spetias this week, collected boat from Athens and told to get dekpa in Spetias first day we tried they had no forms- do not leave the harbour. second day forms all done but supervisor not around to sign, even tho he was sitting in his office...... we asked permission to go out, yes but do not go tp mainland.

 

[jimbaerselman]

Interesting that this comes up three years after the thread started.

In 2010 The Greek government passed the first of a number of revisions to Greek maritime law, and each time these included taxes on motor boats over 10m and sail boats over 15m which were sailing in Greek waters. Each year the maritime law, or parts of it, have been suspended after a month or so after heavy lobbying by owners of large toys afloat around Athens. One provision of these unified maritime laws appears to have been a re-arrangement of the DEKPA system.

It's no surprise then that port police, having had several drafts of new maritime laws passing their desks, being passed by parliament, then being suspended in part or in whole, are in confusion as to how to police leisure boats.

Some recent reports quote an official saying "DEKPA won't be used any more anyway . . ."

If so, that would explain why they have been in short supply over the last three years. And also why port police vary so widely in their interpretation of what to do about leisure boats . . .

 

[lurob]

Simi is a bit of a hellhole as many will have experienced.It is very deep and anchoring can be a bit hit or miss,also the bottom is rocky in places and it can be a nerve racking experience trying to haul it up. Add to this the constant stream of Gulets in and out,the large ferries causing a wash and the general overcrowding .We won't be back in a hurry.
The town is very worthwhile visiting though and I would suggest that a better idea is to go into Pedi (sp?) which is the bay south of Symi.
There you can anchor off,go alongside or stern to the jetty or use the large unfinished "marina" which is along from the jetty. Work seems to have come to a halt on this project (it is Greece after all) and there is enough space to take several flotillas.However you need to be aware that there are reinforcing rods sticking out from the marina wall at the points where fingers are presumably intended to be constructed,but there is plenty space between these points.
There is a minimarket at the end of the jetty,and the taverna to the left is pleasant and good value .
There is a bus every hour from Pedi to Simi..a euro each way,but it's worth getting off in the village on top of the hill ,some good places there to eat ,and few tourists around.
We stayed there for 2 nights in May and checked in to Greece in Symi town,as you say it's a bit of a hike between offices!!
There was no electricity available ,but we can all live without it for a day or 2.

We'll be leaving Turkey in the next couple of weeks and plan to check in to Greece at Simi. Is it possible to anchor at Pedi and go by bus to Simi Town with boat papers to check in?

 

[Steve C Cronin]

Only last week when I went to get my monthly stamp, the young lady at the PP in Gouvia Marina told me that they have plenty of new Dekpas there. At Mourtos, two days earlier,we were not approached by the PP, only the guy wanting €5 for the elec.

 

[sailaboutvic]

Greece is chancing get use to it guys three years ago I wrote on ybw that soon they will be charging for harbour walls , but the Greek lovers who won't have a word said about Greece just shouted me down , I lay money within the next few years there will be big increases in harbour dues . There just too many boats in Greece and where there yachts there money in some people eyes . One get to wonder how long it will be before buoys are laid in bays and we are made to use then at a cost .

Re Mortus , so far it seen if you go into the small harbour the pp can't be bothered to walk around to ask for papers but if you go on to the wall yachts are being asked for papers and harbour dues , one I know off was ask to see winter marina invoice to check it been paid in full .

We given Greece a miss this year and opt out for Italy Sardinia and Corsica so far we found it to be well worth it , other then weekend day time , the anchorages are empty , the few harbour we called at have been friendly and free , although the summer is still young and there still time for me to be proved wrong ,

dufour385.webs.com

 

[ccscott49]

Then when I get back, I must go see the PP as I still don't have a DEKPA, three years in!! I have been going regular, must have just got them!

 

[[29051]]

We'll be leaving Turkey in the next couple of weeks and plan to check in to Greece at Simi. Is it possible to anchor at Pedi and go by bus to Simi Town with boat papers to check in?

Yes. 1 bus per hour, and a nice journey. Anchor in Pedi of go alongside the left side of the quay. 1.20 euros each way last year.

 

[Appleyard]

We'll be leaving Turkey in the next couple of weeks and plan to check in to Greece at Simi. Is it possible to anchor at Pedi and go by bus to Simi Town with boat papers to check in?

Forgive me asking ,but I thought that I had given this information in post #25, which you quoted in #31. Or am I missing something?

 

[Appleyard]

Greece is chancing get use to it guys three years ago I wrote on ybw that soon they will be charging for harbour walls , but the Greek lovers who won't have a word said about Greece just shouted me down , I lay money within the next few years there will be big increases in harbour dues . There just too many boats in Greece and where there yachts there money in some people eyes . One get to wonder how long it will be before buoys are laid in bays and we are made to use then at a cost . ,

dufour385.webs.com

Well it hasn't happened yet ..at least not in the places where we have been this year,and even if they do start to charge for a night on a harbour wall,so what?
If it has the effect of chasing off the tightwads it can't be bad.

 

[Steve C Cronin]

Then when I get back, I must go see the PP as I still don't have a DEKPA, three years in!! I have been going regular, must have just got them!

Colin! STOP IT! NAUGHTY BOY! Don't you know that you are winding up these nice people!

Can I buy you and Belinda a rather nice steak each at the Bistro when we return next month?

 

[ccscott49]

Of course you may, I'll stump up for a nice red to go with it! Thank you!!

 

[vyv_cox]

Greece is chancing get use to it guys three years ago I wrote on ybw that soon they will be charging for harbour walls , but the Greek lovers who won't have a word said about Greece just shouted me down , I lay money within the next few years there will be big increases in harbour dues . There just too many boats in Greece and where there yachts there money in some people eyes . One get to wonder how long it will be before buoys are laid in bays and we are made to use then at a cost .

Yes, it's outrageous. We had to pay 89 cents for a night against the harbour wall in Efstratios. Where is it going to end?

On a more realistic note, this year we have stayed in several Aegean ports where money has clearly been spent on lazy lines, harbourmaster, water and electricity supplies. We have been charged relatively small amounts, up to €15 per night, which in many cases turned out to be for one night less than we were actually there. These are sensible amounts and surely nobody is going to object when they are clearly benefiting from the services.