Elessar
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making a mistake - no matter how tragic - isn't a criminal offence.
Girl, 15, dies in Southampton boat crash
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Blue Sunray
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However negligence can be.
Elessar
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Maybe. But to suggest negligence is a presumption not based on facts.
Stemar
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It has to be seriously gross negligence. However, I'm struggling to see how a professional skipper hitting a sodding great buoy in good visibility could defend himself against that charge unless something broke.
Greenheart
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The need-for-speed brigade can't be expected to admit that with landlubbers aboard (or other seafarers or solid objects nearby), displays of 'skill' at 40 knots aren't appropriate, or that there's any risk worth considering, even when it's proven by events...
...it would be like expecting America's NRA to recognise cause and effect, thereby encouraging legislators to act.
If you don't have time to prevent a misjudgement (or unpredictable failure) turning into a catastrophe, you're going too fast.
If a roller-coaster ride went slow, it wouldn't be thrilling but it wouldn't be fatal when it went wrong, either. Let the rider beware.
Anybody expect anything to improve after this?
...it would be like expecting America's NRA to recognise cause and effect, thereby encouraging legislators to act.
If you don't have time to prevent a misjudgement (or unpredictable failure) turning into a catastrophe, you're going too fast.
If a roller-coaster ride went slow, it wouldn't be thrilling but it wouldn't be fatal when it went wrong, either. Let the rider beware.
Anybody expect anything to improve after this?
JumbleDuck
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Cloona
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Oh this is the bloke who said to me
"What a silly, knee jerk post"
and no harm to you mate but I think its time to suggest your posts are really stupid
as are many people who drive high powered craft around causing a nuisance at best
and a threat to life at worse ...
I think anyone driving around at 40 knots in the Solent should be prosecuted ...
JumbleDuck
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Suggesting is not presuming, and there are plenty of facts.
madabouttheboat
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Now that's a silly statement.
JumbleDuck
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It's interesting to compare the number of people killed and injured by power boats to the number killed or injured by jetskis, and then consider who the real menaces afloat are ...
Blue Sunray
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and compare to the number killed or injured in sailing events, which I suspect is rather larger than either. I know I'd be happier to hear that my daughter was going to sea with Seadogz than Clipper.
Bilgediver
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That is how it was when I did it. However we did all get there in the end and before the marina gates closed for the night.
PilotWolf
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What speed do the RedJets and Wightlink do although I know different! But not sure speed alone should be judged upon.
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madabouttheboat
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I dunno, but last time I tried I couldn't keep up and I had a 7m RIB with 200 HP on the transom. I suspect he was touching 40 knots. I think I was at 35 or so.
duncan99210
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The difference lies, I think, in the acceptance and understanding of the risks involved.
Having a quick blat round the Solent in a RIB cannot be compared to signing up to do the Clipper (or similar). The Solent ride is sold as safe but thrilling, meant to be managed by competent operators so as to offer no risk to passengers.
The Clipper makes it clear you’re placing yourself at risk, spending a considerable period of time as crew racing across the oceans. No comparison whatsoever between the 2.
Blue Sunray
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PilotWolf
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Just remember them asking VTS if they could maintain speed in Southampton Water.
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madabouttheboat
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Not quite as fast as I thought then. Maybe he saw me trying my luck and thought 'I'll show him"
mainsail1
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This was not just any mistake. This was a skipper throwing all care and sensible judgement to the wind in busy, confined waters.
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Cloona
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nah - you know exactly what I mean.. ..........
Jet skis and Ribs and motorboats bombing around recreational waters causing nuisance and a threat to others ..
obviously they should be prosecuted ... .. selfish behaviour at best - dangerous stupidity at worse.
