Girl, 15, dies in Southampton boat crash

[Bouba]

I personally don’t like the idea of seatbelts on a boat…if you go upside down in murky waters of a river or estuary then you will die a grim death…only really serious training will get you out..and even an automatic seatbelt release might be too late..especially combined with an automatic inflatable life jacket.
For me the only survivable option is to be throw clear as the rib flips over…odds aren’t in your favour but they are the only odds you’ve got

 

[ylop]

More vague, beige, Health and Safety recommendations and additions to a code of practice that was ignored by the company in question.

The MAIB doesn’t make laws so can’t do any more than that. But if the industry doesn’t start sorting its self out then it must be inevitable. I might have read too much into the words around the PCA. I always assumed membership was pretty automatic if you paid your fee but it seems they have a code of conduct and in some other industries you’d actually need to show you meet that to “qualify”. Perhaps the industry will self regulate to prevent government doing it.

3 years apiece for the central characters would probably do a lot more to concentrate minds.

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I doubt it - everyone else in the industry believes it would never happen to them. It’s like driving - potential 14 years in prison if you drive really badly and kill someone - but none of us sits behind the wheel and thinks “better not be a dick today, as I might go to jail”.

 

[38mess]

Managing risk implies the occasional accident…there are thrill seeking rib rides all over the world…why are we worked up on this particular tragedy…the implication is we want zero accidents…meaning zero risk

4. Word is that getting work with little experience and just a commercially endorse PB2 is not particularly easy - probably get some civil construction jobs around bridges etc, but if you want to drive big fast ribs then usually they are coded for use beyond 3 miles from a NDP so need more bits of paper.

Most ribs are coded for cat c
The fast boat outfits I deal with offer short 'adrenaline' experience trips, these are within a mile from base, so a Pb2 will do... they usually have at least two ribs. The other will offer longer trips a bit further from base. A power boat advanced ticket will do for this.
Most rib companies struggle to get staff as it's usually seasonal work. They will snap your hand off in the spring with a Pb2. Usually young uni kids looking for pocket money.

 

[ylop]

Most ribs are coded for cat c

commercial coding operates on a 0-6 scale not letters! The letters refer either to sea areas or RCD design categories.

The fast boat outfits I deal with offer short 'adrenaline' experience trips, these are within a mile from base, so a Pb2 will do...

PB2 is only acceptable on a Cat 6 boat which is restricted to 3 miles to sea from a nominated departure point. Most ribs will be Cat 4 or 5 and some will be Cat 3. My recollection is that you can’t use a cat 5 boat with a pb2 even if you stick to the limits where cat 6 would apply.

they usually have at least two ribs. The other will offer longer trips a bit further from base. A power boat advanced ticket will do for this.

Most rib companies struggle to get staff as it's usually seasonal work. They will snap your hand off in the spring with a Pb2. Usually young uni kids looking for pocket money.

Not my experience at all. Obviously it may be different in lake Solent.

 

[38mess]

commercial coding operates on a 0-6 scale not letters! The letters refer either to sea areas or RCD design categories.

PB2 is only acceptable on a Cat 6 boat which is restricted to 3 miles to sea from a nominated departure point. Most ribs will be Cat 4 or 5 and some will be Cat 3. My recollection is that you can’t use a cat 5 boat with a pb2 even if you stick to the limits where cat 6 would apply.



Not my experience at all. Obviously it may be different in lake Solent.

Sorry my mistake I meant cat 4.
Some of the stuff you are writing doesn't make sense. I haven't the time to argue the toss

 

[ylop]

Sorry my mistake I meant cat 4.
Some of the stuff you are writing doesn't make sense. I haven't the time to argue the toss

Which bits? You cannot (legally) helm a Cat 4 boat with a PB2 even if you don’t go more than 3 miles from home. The MAIB made this point in a previous screw up investigation (in Wales I think). I assumed it was part of the reason the PPR course came about as it seemed to be helms didn’t think they needed to know the rules and that was the operator’s job - although I am sure it was more than one incident that precipitated that.

Oh and I just checked - MGN280 actually says for cat 6 you need PB2 + 12 months experience; Cat 4 would be APB + 24 months!

 

[mm42]

Whilst technically you could get a commercial job on just a commercially endorsed PB2, in reality every employer I've ever dealt with has wanted experience in addition to tickets. As someone said PB2 commercially endorsed is generally only used on civils jobs, safety boat on bridge rebuilds. I've done plenty of it, dull as can be but pays OK, but you're puttering about in a 25hp Jaffa usually, no danger of any kind of thrill to any participant.