Fitting a new Garmin system and N2K network whist keeping some of the older 0183 gear I need to keep

[ritchyp]

Hi,

I have found a product and am trying to find out if this is part of what I need to get some NNEA 0183 data onto an NMEA 2000 network. Its a Quark QK-A032 NMEA 2000 / 0183 Bi-directional Converter with WiFi and USB output

My yacht has an old NMEA 0183 network which I am going to remove most of.
All the instruments, the AIS & VHF & a 20 year old Garmin colour Chart plotter all run on 0183. The 4 cockpit instruments are all linked via a Stowe Dataline black box.

I have bought a whole new Garmin System a GNX wired sail pack 52. I am going to set up the new NMEA 2000 network to run the Airmar 810 DST Triducer, the GNX wind transducer and the 2 display instruments and remove the old wind, depth and log instrument displays.

Down at the chart table behind the Linked iComm VHF DSC radio and AIS system and the the old Garmin chart plotter, is the stowe data line box which all the instruments and transducers connect to via NMEA 0183 if Im not wrong..... Would this Quark device device allow me to connect the 0183 network to the 2000 network (minus the 3 displays I no longer want to use of course.)

The main reason being is that I have a Raymarine MFD and EV1 autopilot which aren't currently connected to one another. I need a Seatalk-ng backbone cable as I understand it and a cable which is Seatalk-ng at one end and N2K at the other to get everything talking to the MFD and the wind data talking to the EV1 autopilot system as N2K and Seatalk-ng is the same but use different connectors.

I hoped to get what remains of the NMEA 0183 network talking to the N2K network and then connect the Seatalk-ng using the adapter cable to N2K.


Any advice welcome. I am a computer technician so capable of doing the wiring and config but this isn't exactly my field of expertise. Maybe I only need the Ais data to overlay on my Raymarine MFD.....?
Right now, I don't have much of a clue, I need some clues, some ideas or words of experience.

Thanks (TIA) for your participation - ritchy

Thanks RP

 

[Keith-i]

Without starting to look at all the instruction manuals it’s hard to say but bear in mind some MFD’s can accept 0183 and put it onto the N2K network so you may not need a dedicated converter.

 

[ritchyp]

Without starting to look at all the instruction manuals it’s hard to say but bear in mind some MFD’s can accept 0183 and put it onto the N2K network so you may not need a dedicated converter.

Yes my E90W does. If I do I go data settings

 

[roaringgirl]

I have a network which is a mishmash of seatalk, seatalk-ng, NMEA0182 and NMEA2000 (same as seatalk-ng, with different connector).

It *is* definitely possible, but I would recommend removing as much of the old stuff as you can as I've had some weird bugs due to what is put on the network by competing devices.

It would be easier to understand your requirements if you could provide a diagram.

 

[ritchyp]

Yes my E90W does. If I do I go into data settings. I can choose Seatalk NG or Seatalk, or Nmea 0183.

As the plug in cable is double ended, meaning I can use it at the helm or mount it on a bracket above the chart table, I figured it must have an opening from power and External GPS antenna connections. It does but also a lot of tiny, tiny like the smallest telephone wires you can get. Many of them, I haven't tried to count them as quite a few are connected to the Nmea output on my AIS.

I thought to myself "Brilliant" the AiS Nmea is being fed into the E90W!

The E90W is showing that it is recieving 100s of Thousands of packets of data but alas the AIS does not appear to be working. I have gone into settings and selected for it to be active and tried to overlay it on the chart display but in the row of options along the top right of the display, every option has a red cross through it.
So No external GPS as I would expect as the external antenna connection is not connected.

No Radar. I don't have a radar scanner.

No sonar/fish finder. I don't have one

No Autopilot (I have an EV1 sensor with an ACU 100 controller unit, a new P70S head unit and a chain drive unit on the Wheel) I checked under the cockpit and there is a Seatalkng 5 way backbone rail and it has a blue/black back bone cable coming off this to a T joint. One is a black and white drop cable going to the P70S and there is a terminator on the other side of the T connector.

When I have setup my Garmin NMEA 2000 network, I will have a two T pieces joined together. The will feed the two instruments and one end will have a terminator and the the other end will go to the Seatalkng backbone via an adaptor cable and replace the terminator on the Seatalkng backbone.

This will link the autopilot to the NMEA 2000 network and I need to the terminator on the 5 way Seatalkng rail with a drop cable going up to the E90W.

Then everything will be connected together but I don't understand why the AIS is not working on the E90W already.

I have removed the old dataline black box which all the old instruments connected to.
The only things left running on Nmea 0183 are the icomm MC 505 VHF and the iComm AIS-MA500 TR

All the rest has been removed and as much of the redundant cables I can remove, bearing in mind that a lot of the old instrument and transducer cables are cable tied to the main loom every 30cms so I cut away as much as I could get to.

The new NMEA 2000 should talk to the MFD and the Autopilot and I just have the VHF and AIS on 0183 and as previously mentioned the Nmea out on the AIS is an RS232 style port and connector and that is connected to the Raymarine Loom via a bunch of tiny choky blocks.

If the Raymarine MFD (e90W) is recieving lots of packets of 0183 data, why does the AIS not seem to be working on it?
The AIS icon also has a red cross on it to indicate that it's not working on the Raymarine MFD??

By mid week, I shall have the GNX wind installed on the mast head and the Airmar 810 DST installed through the hull and the 2 new instruments working via the new DST 10 black box and N2K network.

I will be able to sail again as currently have no instruments as I removed the Wind, the log and depth and just about to replace the transducers too

 

[Neeves]

There is a thought that instead of discarding all the old kit it might merit keeping it - as a back up. I acknowledge you want to keep some items but the ones you want to discard, if they are serviceable, might be useful, down the track.

Jonathan

 

[Birdseye]

Hi,

I have found a product and am trying to find out if this is part of what I need to get some NNEA 0183 data onto an NMEA 2000 network. Its a Quark QK-A032 NMEA 2000 / 0183 Bi-directional Converter with WiFi and USB output

My yacht has an old NMEA 0183 network which I am going to remove most of.
All the instruments, the AIS & VHF & a 20 year old Garmin colour Chart plotter all run on 0183. The 4 cockpit instruments are all linked via a Stowe Dataline black box.

I have bought a whole new Garmin System a GNX wired sail pack 52. I am going to set up the new NMEA 2000 network to run the Airmar 810 DST Triducer, the GNX wind transducer and the 2 display instruments and remove the old wind, depth and log instrument displays.

Down at the chart table behind the Linked iComm VHF DSC radio and AIS system and the the old Garmin chart plotter, is the stowe data line box which all the instruments and transducers connect to via NMEA 0183 if Im not wrong..... Would this Quark device device allow me to connect the 0183 network to the 2000 network (minus the 3 displays I no longer want to use of course.)

The main reason being is that I have a Raymarine MFD and EV1 autopilot which aren't currently connected to one another. I need a Seatalk-ng backbone cable as I understand it and a cable which is Seatalk-ng at one end and N2K at the other to get everything talking to the MFD and the wind data talking to the EV1 autopilot system as N2K and Seatalk-ng is the same but use different connectors.

I hoped to get what remains of the NMEA 0183 network talking to the N2K network and then connect the Seatalk-ng using the adapter cable to N2K.


Any advice welcome. I am a computer technician so capable of doing the wiring and config but this isn't exactly my field of expertise. Maybe I only need the Ais data to overlay on my Raymarine MFD.....?
Right now, I don't have much of a clue, I need some clues, some ideas or words of experience.

Thanks (TIA) for your participation - ritchy

Thanks RP

I am not a computer technician but an (old) physicist and I found doing what you are trying to be an absolute pain. That said I got it to work but it was all my own effort with no help coming from Raymarine or B&G bioth of whom blamed the others kit. What I bought was a multiplexer from a company in NZ and this bit of kit took the Raytalk and 0183 and 2000 data flows and merged them into 2000 even dealing with the different baud speeds of 0183 on normal data and AIS. So I ended up with Raymarine instruments, B&G nmea 2000 radar and plotter, an AIS off ebay ( Easy AIS) and a Simrad hydraulic pilot. Some of it connected by ethernet cable

If you can afford it , go the whole hog and change the lot. Yes it will cost £ but not frustration , time and pain.