Fr J Hackett
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It's the national register that determines the ensign not the port.
Ensign?
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dgadee
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I never said anything different. But the crew happily flies her Scots ensign and no official who has looked at our papers from France to Geeece has raised it as an issue. Usually the opposite. I presume it will be the same on the way home. If not, you will be the first to hear.
Perhaps by the time we get back to Scots waters it will be a Scots register. Who knows.
veshengro
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Praxinoscope
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#162 'the crew' may well fly whatever flag she wishes when sailing abroad, but is breaking international maritime law, by not flying the Red Ensign or alternative designated ensign ( e.g. a defaced Red Ensign),and is also breaking UK law as defined in the Merchant Shipping Act of 1995.
Crew has perhaps been fortunate in not crossing swords with a 'jobsworth' official in one of the visited overseas ports.
Crew has perhaps been fortunate in not crossing swords with a 'jobsworth' official in one of the visited overseas ports.
Snuffly
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if you are talking about the white ensign, yes you are correct, but if you are talking about the red ensign, you would most definitely be incorrect
dgadee
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We are very pleasant to officials and always point out we are not English, or at least the crew does.
There is no such thing as 'international law', though it is commonly talked about. There may be treaties but all law is national. When in the EU all legislation was (often badly) translated from EU into UK legislation. The Merchant Shipping Act is not enforced outwith the UK so jobsworths are unlikely to try to enforce it.
Further, there are so many red/blue ensign derivatives in the Med (usually from tax dodging lications) that the typical official has no idea what is valid and what is not even if they were inclined to enforce UK legislation.
Fr J Hackett
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You might care to expand your limited knowledge by reading Ship registration - Wikipedia. I would warrant that port officials know more about registry than you and your xenophobic crew combined.
john_morris_uk
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Your protests still doesn’t make the saltire an officially recognised ensign.
Praxinoscope
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There is no point in trying to argue with those with are convinced they are right ( wrong in my opinion) or have the right to ignore accepted laws/practice or when the majority of those posting on the subject have detailed the legal requirements, so I'm ducking out of this thread.
capnsensible
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Like playing chess with a pigeon.
Praxinoscope
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Like playing chess with a pigeon.
Never tried this, but can imagine the lunacy of trying.
dgadee
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But most of the legal requirements stated here have not been well understood. Talk of enforcement of UK law abroad, international law, seizure of ship, hiding nationality etc. I have pointed out these legal errors but the majority of those posting continue to make them.
I do try, but you lot will have to up your legal game.
dgadee
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Not xenophobic at all. Just has noted the positives of not being English when dealing with foreign officials. Don't shoot the messenger!
Fr J Hackett
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There are no positives or negatives of being English or Scottish or more correctly a UK citizen when dealing with "foreign officials" they have a job to do and most of the time it's irrelevant and they are indifferent to what nationality a yacht is occasionally though you might come across one that is having a bad day and he wants someone else to have one as well.
But your crew and indeed yourself are displaying all the attributes with your reasoning for not displaying the correct ensign on your vessel, something you may care to consider is that it will be you as owner and master and not your crew that will bear whatever penalty and cost is imposed should you ever fall foul of an official.
johnalison
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Might give me a chance of winning for a change.
Fr J Hackett
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Twaddle again, you have made no cogent legal argument to substantiate your position in fact quite the opposite.
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That’s rather insulting.
steve yates
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He meant if there is something to indicate that you are not english, then you may get a different reaction from grumpy officials. Stereotyping goes both ways, and for a number of europeans, the english are not their favourite race, but they wont vent their xenophobia on scots or irish folk from the uk.
Fr J Hackett
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As someone that lives in Europe has friends from different parts of Europe I can assure you that there is a general assumption that all British are English and the difference between Welsh Scots and English is a matter of no importance, further more there is no particular dislike of the English of favouring of Scots over them, we are all classed as the same.
Chiara’s slave
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I can’t say I’ve experienced any particular anti English sentiment, even after certain recent political shenanigans. Nor encountered a Frenchman who knows Scotland is any different in status than Provence, where French people have an odd accent. I guess that’s why our friend feels it necessary to fly his saltire.
