Do you aim for the fenders to contact the pontoon as you park?

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I guess the approach also depends on the number of side thrusters fitted! Bow thruster can cover a few basic sins.
Watched a Maxi 1300 berthing with retractable bow and stern thrusters - get somewhere vaguely near the pontoon and, whoosh, swept sideways in. Jealous - not me, honest ;-)

Seen some hilarious cock-ups with thrusters ...

and a few not so funny.

One in particular ended up in Casualty .... bow person let line get into bow thruster and having coils in hand - you can imagine the state of hands ...
 
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Funny's ??

You have this expensive Gin Palace come in ... (is that a term lost today ?) ...... guy on helm hits the thruster ... all hell breaks loose ..... with thrust this way - then other ... forgets about his twin screws ... crew all totally f****** by now ... boat at strange angles ....

Seriously - seen it too often !!

Ok - now I have to 'blow my own trumpet ' ..... Sesmic Survey vessel ... Great Yarmouth Town Quay just before the road bridge. We are asked to cahnge to the other side of river due to large Private 'Yacht' to berth where we are ... (we had Bernie Mathews boat astern of us at that time).
Pilot boards ... onto bridge ... I am with German Captain ... we have twin screw - bow thrusters ... twin control stations - #1 faces fwd .. #2 faces aft for cable handling ... all on about 1200 tons ...
Pilot says - you know ship better than me ... Captain points at me !!

Lines sorted and river is on flood ... bow upstream ... engines dead slow astern ... thruster set low speed ... she gently glided across and kissed the opposite bank ... lines ashore ... tied up. Pilot went home ... Captain went back to whatever he was doing before .... me ? I sat in the command chair with a big beaming smile on my face ....

Its not often you can do it ..... but when you do !!!!
 

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A few years ago i was on my mooring ( a mid river continuous pontoon) when a neighbour came in with son ( early 20's) over the guardrail. holding shroud, facing outboard with stern line in hand. He jumped when he was about 2 feet from the pontoon, not realising that their was sufficient slack in the stern line to only let him go 1 foot.

He made an impressive splash.
This is jus one reason why you should never jump :) (Of course, only :) as long as it's only a splash - no injury to person or property)

Sometimes though, it does go right, even when there's an audience. We took our aged Snapdragon 24 to Cherbourg some years ago, It was August bank Holiday and I reckon there were more British boats there than in Haslar, and we were the smallest by a significant margin. As we came in, the marina went full meerkat wondering what this tiny thing was doing there. I turned in, the fenders kissed the pontoon as the boat stopped and Madame stepped ashore with a line. Two minutes later everything was sorted and we were ready for the aperitif.

Don't worry, I've also got plenty of tales about when it didn't go to plan :oops:
 

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Yep, I'm hoping Santa is bringing the headphones, that was one of the threads inspiring me to this one. But it was also the realisation that I am much much more confident getting on and off the boat than she is. And she has really got a lot more confident on the helm when picking up our mooring. So nothing to lose! It's a win if she takes to helming and the alternative is I will approach the pontoon as if singlehanded.
The head phones won't work if you jump off the boat with them on and land in the water.
Just so you know...
 

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The head phones won't work if you jump off the boat with them on and land in the water.
Just so you know...

I have PMR's with hands free ... used once ! .... never bothered again ....

Why ?

We are all intent on what job is in hand ... voices tend to distract.

Our solution - I know its not for everyone - is to instruct before event ... orchestrate the event ...
When I see person STEP onto pontoon .. I know we are there !! No shouting ... no misunderstood commands ... no fuss.
 

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I have PMR's with hands free ... used once ! .... never bothered again ....

Why ?

We are all intent on what job is in hand ... voices tend to distract.

Our solution - I know its not for everyone - is to instruct before event ... orchestrate the event ...
When I see person STEP onto pontoon .. I know we are there !! No shouting ... no misunderstood commands ... no fuss.
A German Master Mariner friend tells a very good story about the time he accepted the post of Master on a Capesize bulker owned by a very well known French company. They loaded coal in the USA for Dunkirk. On passage she drew a little more every day as the ballast valves were leaking back, but he got her to the Dunkirk pilots and insisted that he should berth right away, as the tides were taking off and there would not be enough water under the unloader the next day..

The Pilot was impressed that his Filipino crew berthed her without a single instruction on the walkie talkies

"Simple" ,Hans said - "I have NO talkie walkies!"

"You are unseaworthy, and I shall report you!" said the Pilot.

"Be my guest!" said Hans - "but before you do so, step onto the bridge wing and look at the funnel mark !"

Pilot took no action.

Hans had had enough and asked for a relief, which he got.
 

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It depends a bit on whether the wind is blowing on or off. On a lee berth or finger I would aim to stop the boat a few inches away from the pontoon or finger and let the wind gently push me in. With a windward berth it is sometimes necessary to be a bit more bold and park the boat firmly alongside. In any case, the fender contact has to be done at right angles to the pontoon to avoid the possibility of abrasion to the topsides. I get the impression that many sailors regard their fenders as frictional devices for stopping their boat, something I object to when they are attempting to raft. Most boats have a perfectly good astern gear for that purpose.
 

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This is jus one reason why you should never jump :) (Of course, only :) as long as it's only a splash - no injury to person or property)

Sometimes though, it does go right, even when there's an audience. We took our aged Snapdragon 24 to Cherbourg some years ago, It was August bank Holiday and I reckon there were more British boats there than in Haslar, and we were the smallest by a significant margin. As we came in, the marina went full meerkat wondering what this tiny thing was doing there. I turned in, the fenders kissed the pontoon as the boat stopped and Madame stepped ashore with a line. Two minutes later everything was sorted and we were ready for the aperitif.

Don't worry, I've also got plenty of tales about when it didn't go to plan :oops:

I di the most perfect text book ferry glide of Folly Inn Pontoon ... it was absolutely perfect ...

Could I do again ?? Tried !!

But I have to say my best was leaving mid river Folly Pontoon with a seized engine. I was alongside the pontoon ... 3 boats rafted ahead of me ... 2 boats rafted astern of me .. I'm 25ft in a 30ft slot.
Use of careful explanation to Mike ... genny and springs ... had me pirouette out without touching ay other boat ... and on way down river to make way back to HYCO.

As we left Folly pontoon .. you could hear the applause .. seriously.
 
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The trick is to assess the individual moment ... whether its throw a stick into the water to see its flow ... finger in the air to check wind ... see which way boat is being pushed .. so many things are specific to that moment ... no book or forum post can be the answer.

You have to evaluate and devise the strategy for that moment. That includes allowance for YOUR and crew ability.
 

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Oh so I wish that all boaters had the wisdom and expertise .... :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

But hell will freeze over before that happens ....

Oh so I wish that all boaters had the wisdom and expertise .... :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

But hell will freeze over before that happens ....
They do, but may not have realised it yet. nothing more simple than berthing but the skills involved will only come with time and experience over some years. Me ive no idea what I do, as each time is very different. I dont tend to climb on other boats or hit anything so something must be right

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The trick is to assess the individual moment ... whether its throw a stick into the water to see its flow ... finger in the air to check wind ... see which way boat is being pushed .. so many things are specific to that moment ... no book or forum post can be the answer.

You have to evaluate and devise the strategy for that moment. That includes allowance for YOUR and crew ability.
If you are a sailing teacher you also need the eye of the tiger, the wisdom of Solomon, the patience of Job and the luck of Old Harry. :)
 

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Some good stuff has emerged, thanks all. My boat is a Konsort (29ft) so not too high a free board to step off for me, but obviously wobbly pontoons don't always advertise their true nature. Much more likely I will be going for a midship loop, stern bridle cleat lassoo etc etc (all from here and Duncan Wells) but until we have had some serious experimentation and practice with my wife on the helm who knows, (quite likely I will end up back on the helm whatever :)). Building confidence gently and quietly is key. But this all stems from the final realisation of why berthing when being blown off has been tricky, she has no confidence standing on the gunwhales (being out of the cockpit). Doesnt't matter whether it is dropping a loop on a cleat or stepping off with lines. People get more risk averse as they get older and more wobbly. Time for a different strategy.
 

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Some good stuff has emerged, thanks all. My boat is a Konsort (29ft) so not too high a free board to step off for me, but obviously wobbly pontoons don't always advertise their true nature. Much more likely I will be going for a midship loop, stern bridle cleat lassoo etc etc (all from here and Duncan Wells) but until we have had some serious experimentation and practice with my wife on the helm who knows, (quite likely I will end up back on the helm whatever :)). Building confidence gently and quietly is key. But this all stems from the final realisation of why berthing when being blown off has been tricky, she has no confidence standing on the gunwhales (being out of the cockpit). Doesnt't matter whether it is dropping a loop on a cleat or stepping off with lines. People get more risk averse as they get older and more wobbly. Time for a different strategy.

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Matter of fear on deck ....

My previous Wife and present - both have the same 'fear' of on deck - and they apply this to others who venture out there. Especially to children ...

But try and explain to them that children's feet and size are much smaller - to them a side deck is a 'road' unlike to us adults - a narrow spit ! Of course safety and care is absolutely paramount - do not get me wrong.

It seems as we get older - many of us get more cautious of what we dare to do !! I know I used to think nothing of hanging onto shrouds and peeing overboard ... now at 68 - I am more likely to use the on-board heads !
 

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To be honest, I’m more concerned about avoiding contact with other yachts than making contact with the pontoon. Usually I’m single handing a 33’ long keeler with no bow thruster. A loop of rope round a midships cleat dropped over the first accessible pontoon cleat helps me bring her alongside.

Have to agree generally there ...

I have one of those pole mounted quick hooks ... basically threads line through a ring. As long as the finger end allows the Mooring Mate to work - I'm good to hook on.

I have been considering getting the 'sprung' carbine style - to avoid the pulling through of line that I have with the Mooring Mate.
 

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Funny's ??

You have this expensive Gin Palace come in ... (is that a term lost today ?) ...... guy on helm hits the thruster ... all hell breaks loose ..... with thrust this way - then other ... forgets about his twin screws ... crew all totally f****** by now ... boat at strange angles ....

Seriously - seen it too often !!

Ok - now I have to 'blow my own trumpet ' ..... Sesmic Survey vessel ... Great Yarmouth Town Quay just before the road bridge. We are asked to cahnge to the other side of river due to large Private 'Yacht' to berth where we are ... (we had Bernie Mathews boat astern of us at that time).
Pilot boards ... onto bridge ... I am with German Captain ... we have twin screw - bow thrusters ... twin control stations - #1 faces fwd .. #2 faces aft for cable handling ... all on about 1200 tons ...
Pilot says - you know ship better than me ... Captain points at me !!

Lines sorted and river is on flood ... bow upstream ... engines dead slow astern ... thruster set low speed ... she gently glided across and kissed the opposite bank ... lines ashore ... tied up. Pilot went home ... Captain went back to whatever he was doing before .... me ? I sat in the command chair with a big beaming smile on my face ....

Its not often you can do it ..... but when you do !!!!
The fact that you remember it so well shows how rarely it happens. At our last mooring, we were on the multihull pontoon at The Folly. Between Ra, the odd twin masted thing, one on each hull, and a Dazcat. Both over 7m beam. We has 2m of clearance fore and aft. That’s a long ferryglide in a flighty tri, especially with no tide, as is often the case up there. However, with a good SW wind blowing us on, I could kind of ‘park’ 10m off the pontoon, and with little bursts of throttle an helm, just keep her parallel whilst the wind parked us up, sometimes to an audience of aghast onlookers. All I can say is that it’s a good thing we had a fresh audience when we were trying to leave in the same conditions.
We more usually have to really drive into a mooring, and come to a rather exciting and dramatic stop. Often it’s better to poke the bow or stern in, then winch the other end in. Or raft on the kind people next door, and pull her across to the pontoon by whatever means is possible. We don’t have the luxury of choice about coming alongside that you halfmaran owners have. It’s a cross we bear in exchange for deck space and performance.
 
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