DEKPA latest?

[Mr Cassandra]

I am not leaving Monfalcone until 5 june. And probably will be asking lots of questions on the way down the Croatian coast. I am planning to be in Aegina, first couple of weeks in July. If all goes to plan.
There also someone local that i owe a few beers to, before i leave here.

 

[Pasarell]

Your welcome I didn't say all Ionian skipper , a small percentage are very good , ok joking apart,
ICC is nothing to do with Greece and only two years back you was never asked for it , but since the new DEKPA it has been on the list of doc they want to see, but it don't have to be an ICC .

Going back to the Dutch charter company , if you talking about sunny saiing , I don't think they can talk , when we spend a winter in Lefkas one of their staff hit the pontoon so hard bring a boat back after relaunch it shock the whole pontoon, and when my co skipper talked to the the girl in charge , she said the biggest thing she ever sailed was a wooden dinghy , I think that's says it all .
.In Holland the vaarbewijs (ICC ) is a bit ore compaircated then the ICC don't know now but at one time a day course was all that was needed to get an ICC ,
Some ports in Spain , Croatia ask for a skipper lic Montenegro seen to want one ur they tell you to leave and lately there been report they asking for it in Turkey although we never been ask to show any .
But you have to agree ( or not) there some really bad seamenship that happen in the Ionian, that you don't see else where and it's not now and then but day in and day out .
This is not to say we all don't all get caught out some time , cos we all do , but the stuff that happens in the Ionian is just so stupid that there no doubt the skipper have no idea what he doing .

OCC, not Sunny Sailing, I think. Been away so long I can't remember all their names but definitely not Sunny.
I agree about all getting caught out at times. I've only been sailing for 50 years so reckon I should be starting to get the hang of it but there are so many variables none of us get it right all the time. Having said that I would hang my head in shame if I got into some of the situations I've seen in just 1 year in the Ionian. So many people just don't think or plan for what they want to do. Anyway I should be back in about 2 weeks so how about that drink if you're still around?

 

[sailaboutvic]

OCC, not Sunny Sailing, I think. Been away so long I can't remember all their names but definitely not Sunny.
I agree about all getting caught out at times. I've only been sailing for 50 years so reckon I should be starting to get the hang of it but there are so many variables none of us get it right all the time. Having said that I would hang my head in shame if I got into some of the situations I've seen in just 1 year in the Ionian. So many people just don't think or plan for what they want to do. Anyway I should be back in about 2 weeks so how about that drink if you're still around?

We may still be here But we plain to head south around the bottom and spend most of the summer in the east but we be back in sept oct before heading first to Malta then Tunisia so if we don't catch you now we catch you then .
It's about time you got out that cold beer you been saving haha

 

[grafozz]

Dekpa ,again ,
for how long was the old Dekpa valid ? 3/ 5 years ?

if it is well out of date , I understand from thread comments that it is better to lose the old one . if the boat has been in Greek waters/ boatyard for years
then is there not a conflict in buying a new Dekpa when not actually entering the country ?

also I was told by the pp 2 days ago ,that an ICC must be produced in order to buy a new Dekpa

 

[sailaboutvic]

Dekpa ,again ,
for how long was the old Dekpa valid ? 3/ 5 years ?

if it is well out of date , I understand from thread comments that it is better to lose the old one . if the boat has been in Greek waters/ boatyard for years
then is there not a conflict in buying a new Dekpa when not actually entering the country ?

also I was told by the pp 2 days ago ,that an ICC must be produced in order to buy a new Dekpa

Old DEPKA are not valid any more .

There no problem in buying a new DEPKA, our was out of the time limit of 12 months so we just brought a new one , we was advise by the PP when buying the new one and so was another member of this forum from a different island PP , that if you don't get it stamp within the year to buy a new one other wise there a 500e fine .

It all depend where in Greece you buy your new DEPKA if they will insis in you having an ICC , although on the document they give you it does say a skipper lic is required, saying that I personally know for three people who have got a new DEPKA who hasn't got a ICC .
By the way it doesn't have to be an ICC it can be in another form of skipper licence.
For a joke when I brought the new DEKPA last year , I pass ov r my U.K. Driving lic the guy just photo copy it and give it back

 

[macd]

grafozz: as Vic writes, the validity window of the old DEKPA is irrelevant since any vessel active in Greek waters was required to buy a new DEKPA last year (September?).

Exception is made for vessels out of service, albeit with typical Greek ambiguity about precisely what that means and whether/how you prove it. Our boat's been on the hard continuously since before the new DEKPA date. Our local PP office has been emphatic that we don't need a new one until we're about to go in the water. For various reasons we haven't tested that yet: the boat's still on the hard.

However, if your vessel has been active in Greece at any time since last September, you'd be wise to keep that to yourself. You don't indicate where you are, but it might also be prudent to avoid PP offices which have a history of being difficult: some are identified on this and other threads.

It might help people respond more specifically if you indicated which PP you're likely to approach for the new DEKPA, and whether your boat's been "circulating" since last September.

 

[grafozz]

grafozz: as Vic writes, the validity window of the old DEKPA is irrelevant since any vessel active in Greek waters was required to buy a new DEKPA last year (September?).

Exception is made for vessels out of service, albeit with typical Greek ambiguity about precisely what that means and whether/how you prove it. Our boat's been on the hard continuously since before the new DEKPA date. Our local PP office has been emphatic that we don't need a new one until we're about to go in the water. For various reasons we haven't tested that yet: the boat's still on the hard.

However, if your vessel has been active in Greece at any time since last September, you'd be wise to keep that to yourself. You don't indicate where you are, but it might also be prudent to avoid PP offices which have a history of being difficult: some are identified on this and other threads.

It might help people respond more specifically if you indicated which PP you're likely to approach for the new DEKPA, and whether your boat's been "circulating" since last September.

I am in Argostoli / Kefalonia and just launched last week

 

[macd]

I am in Argostoli / Kefalonia and am thinking of launching next week

There. Fixed that for you

Hope someone with experience of the local PP can advise on their friendliness.

 

[sailaboutvic]

I am in Argostoli / Kefalonia and just launched last week

Argostoli OK .
That is where we got our this year l my advise if your is out of date .
Do as we did , just report in as you just entered Greece , say Italy , and buy a new one , you have to pay an extra 15 euro for coming into Greece , but it saves you loads of problem .
Plus the guy we sew was very good , and the tax office is walking distance and you don't have to go to the bank to pay the tax like you have to do some place.

 

[duncan99210]

Just got our DEKPA stamped yesterday at Preveza. Fastest visit ever made to PP: in and out in four minutes: and a smile too!

 

[grafozz]

Argostoli OK .
That is where we got our this year l my advise if your is out of date .
Do as we did , just report in as you just entered Greece , say Italy , and buy a new one , you have to pay an extra 15 euro for coming into Greece , but it saves you loads of problem .
Plus the guy we sew was very good , and the tax office is walking distance and you don't have to go to the bank to pay the tax like you have to do some place.

Vic that is what I did , now have new , shiny papers , very nice pp in Argostoli all helpful and smiling , nice people
and Argostoli is such a pleasant town good bars and tavernas on the quay , particularly Leons who has a laundry service

 

[sailaboutvic]

Vic that is what I did , now have new , shiny papers , very nice pp in Argostoli all helpful and smiling , nice people
and Argostoli is such a pleasant town good bars and tavernas on the quay , particularly Leons who has a laundry service

good glade you got it sorted without any drama, now enjoy Greece

 

[SOT]

No idea how I managed to delete last post but will try again...

Our experience of replacing a new style dekpa in Preveza which had expired on 2nd June. (Our planned flight to solve this problem was cancelled due to a Greek atc strike) After reading this thread we adopted the approach of asking for a new one and saying we had thrown away the old one. The official was not overly impressed by this news but gave us all the usual forms to fill in etc. After the normal round of bank, copy shops etc. we returned and were issued a new dekpa with no issues. I directly asked what happened if you missed next years stamping date for any reason and was told " You buy a new one." That was it.
Managed the above in record time, partly due to a new machine in the bank that takes payments automatically, so no queuing!

 

[sailaboutvic]

No idea how I managed to delete last post but will try again...

Our experience of replacing a new style dekpa in Preveza which had expired on 2nd June. (Our planned flight to solve this problem was cancelled due to a Greek atc strike) After reading this thread we adopted the approach of asking for a new one and saying we had thrown away the old one. The official was not overly impressed by this news but gave us all the usual forms to fill in etc. After the normal round of bank, copy shops etc. we returned and were issued a new dekpa with no issues. I directly asked what happened if you missed next years stamping date for any reason and was told " You buy a new one." That was it.
Managed the above in record time, partly due to a new machine in the bank that takes payments automatically, so no queuing!

This is the normal now what you wrote ,
It seem what every PP the questions ask as the same reply .
You have to wonder if this is what they been told to say by up above , it's about the only common information that PP have .

 

[Mr Cassandra]

Well I had a new one issued on the new to me yacht in Corfu PP bank receipt and back to PP.

Police woman said get it stamped again when you leave in October.

 

[Chris_Robb]

Well I had a new one issued on the new to me yacht in Corfu PP bank receipt and back to PP.

Police woman said get it stamped again when you leave in October.

1 month ago, an instruction letter was sent to all PP to make sure that all PP knew what had to be done with the DEKPA.

This basically said:

1. No DEKPA - €1000 fine.
2. No Current Stamp €500 fine.
The explanation to me for the fines is that they are cracking down on Greek boats so the law is very tough and will be enforced next year. - We will see.

So how do you protect yourself from an unexpected Illness that causes an unexpectedly late return? The Instruction sets out the 2 methods we new about but which were being denied at some PP.

1. Early Stamping - available to all.
2. Out of Use: This facility was originally for Greek boats to avoid paying Tax when out of use - ie Hauled out. In fact the only point of the DEKPA according to Loutra Port Police is for Greek boats and their tax status. For us they said there is no point. (Cruising Tax??? if and when).

I put my boat out of use with North Evia PP a week ago. They knew nothing about the instruction - I gave them a copy on my phone. They rang the ministry and lots of arguing later they said yes, they would could issue a certificate for out of use. This is normally sent to the tax office - they said they were not sure what to do here.

If you are in a nearby haulage yard, you need to know which area controls where you are. I am in Dimstef yard in Oriei, on the North of Evia. I went as everyone else does to Loutra PP where we did the whole thing - one final question - where is the boat - oh, not our area, you must go the Pefki - 10 miles east of Orie. So I did - and all sorted.

 

[Backwoodsman]

Re obtaining my new Dekpa from Kavala PP.
1. Took a certificate stamped by the yard confirming boat had been laid up ashore. Accepted no problem.
2. Kavala PP adamant you require an ICC , irrespective of your national requirement.
3. Bimbled off to the tax dept to pay for Dekpa, big problem. "You don't have a Greek tax number, so you can't pay money in."
But I have paid each year for the last 4 years. Call Supervisor, who is very friendly and helpful, takes me to a room with a nice
lady who wants me to register for a Greek tax number ! Do not even consider this as an option !
Find a local former skipper / insurance broker. He goes on line to the tax office, enters 9 zeros in the personal tax number
column and pays for Dekpa and gets printed receipt. Happy days , have new Dekpa.

 

[chrisgee]

It seems that as of the most recent posts referring to the Greek DEKPA there is still confusion (as there is ref the Cruising Tax)

I am a the new owner of a yacht in Greece and my current understanding is that:
1 - It does NOT have to be stamped every month.
2 - It needs stamping every year.

Nobody is 100% if it has to be stamped;
- on the same day each year.
- before the date of the previous stamping.
- it doesn't matter so long as it is stamped each year.

If you fail to meet whatever the requirement turns out to be what happens?
- You have to buy a new DEKPA.
- You get a fine.
- Both of the above.
- None of the above.

If anyone has some evidence to clarify it will be appreciated.
Cheers
Tony

This is how it worked for me this year. Got a new DEKPA 18th April 2018 @ Lefkas PP ( very helpful people). Went back there on 22nd Sept 2018 before going home for this year and they stamped it no problem ,no charge. I will go back to Greece next April 2019 with a Dakpa stamped until 18th Sept 2019.
Whats the problem??

 

[Chris_Robb]

This is how it worked for me this year. Got a new DEKPA 18th April 2018 @ Lefkas PP ( very helpful people). Went back there on 22nd Sept 2018 before going home for this year and they stamped it no problem ,no charge. I will go back to Greece next April 2019 with a Dakpa stamped until 18th Sept 2019.
Whats the problem??

No problem - thats how it should work!

Double stamping should work for most. What it does not work for, is if someone - family or personal health issues, as unfortunately happens so unpredictably, you may well find that you will have accumulated substantial fines before you manage to return a year and a half later. It happens.

As I was not going out to sail this autumn - I would have had to be back next year by mid May, which I dont think I will be - yes I will be there in March - I could restanp then ..... For me it was more convenient just to put the boat Out of Use for the period.

So its an alternative method to use to avoid balmy fines on a system that according to Port Police in EVia, serves no purpose at all - the data and info is not collated anywhere and its not used for anything...... Actually its used for one thing - to bash the Greek boat owners over the head for not paying taxes on their boats - so extend coverage to all EU citizens - and bingo you have closed the loophole - at our expense......

Hey ho - what about the cruising tax - not heard a dikibird about it. Let hope its died - following the prime minister's announcement that they were now back in charge of their own affairs.

 

[De.windhoos]

1 month ago, an instruction letter was sent to all PP to make sure that all PP knew what had to be done with the DEKPA.

This basically said:

1. No DEKPA - €1000 fine.
2. No Current Stamp €500 fine.
The explanation to me for the fines is that they are cracking down on Greek boats so the law is very tough and will be enforced next year. - We will see.

So how do you protect yourself from an unexpected Illness that causes an unexpectedly late return? The Instruction sets out the 2 methods we new about but which were being denied at some PP.

1. Early Stamping - available to all.
2. Out of Use: This facility was originally for Greek boats to avoid paying Tax when out of use - ie Hauled out. In fact the only point of the DEKPA according to Loutra Port Police is for Greek boats and their tax status. For us they said there is no point. (Cruising Tax??? if and when).

I put my boat out of use with North Evia PP a week ago. They knew nothing about the instruction - I gave them a copy on my phone. They rang the ministry and lots of arguing later they said yes, they would could issue a certificate for out of use. This is normally sent to the tax office - they said they were not sure what to do here.

If you are in a nearby haulage yard, you need to know which area controls where you are. I am in Dimstef yard in Oriei, on the North of Evia. I went as everyone else does to Loutra PP where we did the whole thing - one final question - where is the boat - oh, not our area, you must go the Pefki - 10 miles east of Orie. So I did - and all sorted.

I officially checked out of Greece in Kastelorizo this year, just to get an understanding how it works when you check back in after your DEKPA stamp has expired. After getting a lot of speeches and sermons on how I didn’t report to the PP when I arrived (which I don’t have to do with a Dutch flagged boat with Dutch crew coming from Rhodes) and that my insurance policy doesn’t refer to article 43 (first time anybody complained about that in Greece) I was told that I would be in a lot of trouble....
After trying to get a clarification, and I’m still confused, I think she meant that I had to get a new DEKPA. Knowing some people that had a lot of problems checking back in in Kos. I was wondering Chris if you know what the official procedure is and what proof, if any, you need to show that you’ve been outside Greek/EU waters?