DEKPA latest?

[Chris_Robb]

Re: First Fines levied for 13 days overdue.

I just got my Dekpa stamped one month early at Corfu City port police. The Gouvia branch is not yet working. I was told that late stamping will get fined min 500€. The advice was that if your Dekpa stamp is overdue, do not show it, just get a new one for 50 €.

If you think you are going to face a fine - at least you cannot be accused of lying! This I think would be the approach I might take - I thought the DEKPA was an annual thing so here's my €50 (note in hand) for a new one... Q. Do you have your old one? -A. err no, I thought I needed a new one every year, so I threw it away......

WHat I am worried about is that it has been mentioned by another PP, so I am concerned that our intervention caused the Ministry to email everyone with instructions on what the law says... I hope not. Perhaps other can ask the same question at other ports and feed back.

 

[Chris_Robb]

Re: First Fines levied for 13 days overdue.

The current advice from the CA is to get your DEKPA stamped in say September when go home and perhaps every year there after 6 monthly always leaving Lee way.

Alternatively you should at the end of the season just get a certificate of OUT OF USE from port police presenting your usual docs which you then get back. So if you do get I'll and can't go back your problems are solved.

 

[sailaboutvic]

Re: First Fines levied for 13 days overdue.

The current advice from the CA is to get your DEKPA stamped in say September when go home and perhaps every year there after 6 monthly always leaving Lee way.

Alternatively you should at the end of the season just get a certificate of OUT OF USE from port police presenting your usual docs which you then get back. So if you do get I'll and can't go back your problems are solved.

On behalf of everyone who has boats in Greece thank you very much Chris for keeping us updated.
We have another month at less before we back in Greek waters and we be well behind,
as our last stamp was March, so I be taken my own advice and just buy a new one .

 

[Thedreamoneday]

Does anyon know what the situation is if the boat isn't being launched this year, I got my depka in march last year so I'm over by 4 weeks but I don't intend launching till 2019. I am in Greece though. Any thoughts?

 

[Thedreamoneday]

Re: First Fines levied for 13 days overdue.

On behalf of everyone who has boats in Greece thank you very much Chris for keeping us updated.
We have another month at less before we back in Greek waters and we be well behind,
as our last stamp was March, so I be taken my own advice and just buy a new one .

Vic, I think this is inputted on to a computer so would it not pick up on he fact you've already had one and it's over due?

 

[sailaboutvic]

Re: First Fines levied for 13 days overdue.

Vic, I think this is inputted on to a computer so would it not pick up on he fact you've already had one and it's over due?

That may be the case , but I plain to keep the invoice of the Marina in Malta and Tunisia as back up .
My reply will be I checked out and thought I wasn't coming back so I throw the old one away .
I have emailed the port police in Lefkas and in Preveza also the ministry of shipping but so far I had no reply , I don't expect to but who knows , if I do I will report back here .

 

[macd]

Does anyon know what the situation is if the boat isn't being launched this year, I got my depka in march last year so I'm over by 4 weeks but I don't intend launching till 2019. I am in Greece though. Any thoughts?

Not fully comparable, but we didn't launch last year. Prior to the deadline for buying the new DEKPA we visited the local port police, who vehemently assured us no DEKPA was required so long as the boat was out of use. (It's on the hard.) A few days later, on a different shift, we were told the same. Please feel free to draw any logical conclusions (and then discard them, as logic seems to count for little in Dekpaland:ambivalence

But that's just one office and we know how they vary. In your position I'd be tempted to contact the office at which you expect to renew/get a stamp.

 

[Chris_Robb]

Alternatively the official way of out of use is to take your docs to the PP and ask for certificate of out of use. Do don't apparently leave the docs with the PP.

But I would check and post results back here including name of Port.

 

[jonrarit]

Just thought I'd offer the "Dekpa latest" from my experience last week.

I got our (new type) restamped at Gouvia Marina Port Police. Walked in, presented the DEKPA, he stamped it and I walked out. Took less than 60 seconds. He didnt check SRR, Crew List, Insurance or anything like that. No money changed hands and no officialdom whatsoever.

His only comment was we "cut it close" having it restamped on 7th May 2018 when it was issued on the 8th May 2017.

For info it was the same officer that issued the DEKPA last year.

Easy peasy lemon squeezy

Hope this is useful to someone

Jonathan

 

[sailaboutvic]

my experience , brought a new one this morning , just throw the old one way , we brought it in Argostoli , the guy when to great lengths to say if it don't get stamp within a year to just throw it away and buy a new one as there is a 500e fine, even if we left Greece and return after the year.
also the same been told to me by someone else in anyone PP office

 

[De.windhoos]

I would like to share our experience when we went for the new DEKPA in Leros 2 weeks ago.
First we went to the Marina office (Leros Marina) where Maria helped us to fill in a form
with that form we went to the bank and paid the 50EU plus 2 EU commission and got proof of payment
with that, the boat registration, boat insurance and passports in hand we went to the port police. this was the step that we were concerned about because we didn't get a new one last year, because they ran out :ambivalence:
The official was extremely relaxed and spend most of his time complaining about Greek bureaucracy
He also asked us for the old DEKPA and used it to fill in the new one, no mention that we should've gotten one last year.
He then asked us for our driving licence. when we told him we didn't have one, but that we have been sailing for most of our lives at sea, he said "oh you are Dutch and your boat is Dutch flagged, so you don't need it"

He also said if we couldn't renew it on the same date next year because of not being on the boat, we should ask the Marina to send an email.

So all in all a very good experience.

 

[RichardS]

He then asked us for our driving licence. when we told him we didn't have one, but that we have been sailing for most of our lives at sea, he said "oh you are Dutch and your boat is Dutch flagged, so you don't need it"

That's interesting. I don't have an ICC either but perhaps the PP (some PP?) are only applying that requirement to Greek flagged boats?

Richard

 

[De.windhoos]

That's interesting. I don't have an ICC either but perhaps the PP (some PP?) are only applying that requirement to Greek flagged boats?

Richard

Officially you don’t need one if you and your boat are from a country that doesn’t require one. However try to explain this to a port police official..... so if they understand the law you’re good....

 

[sailaboutvic]

Officially you don’t need one if you and your boat are from a country that doesn’t require one. However try to explain this to a port police official..... so if they understand the law you’re good....

There a bit more to it that just that .
You may not need one in your own country but other country can insist that unless you have one you will have to leave Montenegro is one country. As I said last year in Greece you can sign a declaration to say you don't need , but in a lot of case if you argue the point they will give up and let you in .
There no doubt more and more country's have started to ask for some kind of skipper lic , so I guess it make sense to get an ICC .

 

[De.windhoos]

Yes I know. However my feeling is that in the Ionian they are a lot more difficult than in the Aegean/Dodecanese..
With the exception of Rhodes, these people are like Voldemort and Moriarty rolled into one :mad-new:

 

[sailaboutvic]

Yes I know. However my feeling is that in the Ionian they are a lot more difficult than in the Aegean/Dodecanese..
With the exception of Rhodes, these people are like Voldemort and Moriarty rolled into one :mad-new:

I not surprise , the Ionian attractive lots of novice sailor and the stuff that goes on there at time is unbelievable, just two days ago while three others of this parish where having a BBQ on our boat we watch in dismay two charter boat from different company going at high speed in astern for one spot , end up as the wind caught one and both losing contro , not that any of that had contro in the first place ended in a bang then one just leaving the bay without stopping ,
Then again last night while having dinner on board with another member of this parish we watch another boat come into the anchorage with not one but both sails in a mass one balloon around the furling the other around the mast , ok things and at times furling can jam , but both sails , there wasn't much wind which was a good job or he could had said good by to two sails .

Can you Blane the PP asking for just a little prove that the skipper as any idea what he doing .
I would go as far as to say a very large percentage of so called skipper in the Ionian shouldn't be let alone with a baby pram let alone with a 8 ton plus lump of GRP .

 

[Pasarell]

Thanks Vic
As someone based in the Ionian I can handle a baby pram with the best!
I was in my berth in Lefkas marina a few weeks ago when I heard one of the Marineros shout "Don't do anything". Went up on deck to see a charter boat trying to go out through the next set of pontoons and get in the worst mess I've seen. While watching the chaos of a crew who appeared never to have been on a boat before I got talking to one of the onlookers who is Dutch and works for a charter company in the marina specialising in his nationality. Their boats always look good and rarely seem to get into difficulties but he told me they encourage their customers to pick him or a colleague up at the fuel berth on the way into the marina. He also told me that it is against Dutch law to ask for an ICC or any equivalent from their customers. They just have to take their word on experience. I thought the ICC requirement was Greek law but maybe not.
I left for China the following day and expect to get back to the boat in a couple of weeks to start my season proper. Just in time for peak charter time. Joy!!

 

[sailaboutvic]

Thanks Vic
As someone based in the Ionian I can handle a baby pram with the best!
I was in my berth in Lefkas marina a few weeks ago when I heard one of the Marineros shout "Don't do anything". Went up on deck to see a charter boat trying to go out through the next set of pontoons and get in the worst mess I've seen. While watching the chaos of a crew who appeared never to have been on a boat before I got talking to one of the onlookers who is Dutch and works for a charter company in the marina specialising in his nationality. Their boats always look good and rarely seem to get into difficulties but he told me they encourage their customers to pick him or a colleague up at the fuel berth on the way into the marina. He also told me that it is against Dutch law to ask for an ICC or any equivalent from their customers. They just have to take their word on experience. I thought the ICC requirement was Greek law but maybe not.
I left for China the following day and expect to get back to the boat in a couple of weeks to start my season proper. Just in time for peak charter time. Joy!!

Your welcome I didn't say all Ionian skipper , a small percentage are very good , ok joking apart,
ICC is nothing to do with Greece and only two years back you was never asked for it , but since the new DEKPA it has been on the list of doc they want to see, but it don't have to be an ICC .

Going back to the Dutch charter company , if you talking about sunny saiing , I don't think they can talk , when we spend a winter in Lefkas one of their staff hit the pontoon so hard bring a boat back after relaunch it shock the whole pontoon, and when my co skipper talked to the the girl in charge , she said the biggest thing she ever sailed was a wooden dinghy , I think that's says it all .
.In Holland the vaarbewijs (ICC ) is a bit ore compaircated then the ICC don't know now but at one time a day course was all that was needed to get an ICC ,
Some ports in Spain , Croatia ask for a skipper lic Montenegro seen to want one ur they tell you to leave and lately there been report they asking for it in Turkey although we never been ask to show any .
But you have to agree ( or not) there some really bad seamenship that happen in the Ionian, that you don't see else where and it's not now and then but day in and day out .
This is not to say we all don't all get caught out some time , cos we all do , but the stuff that happens in the Ionian is just so stupid that there no doubt the skipper have no idea what he doing .

 

[Mr Cassandra]

Its not a lot better in Aegina, while away a evening with a beer, much better than tv.

 

[sailaboutvic]

Its not a lot better in Aegina, while away a evening with a beer, much better than tv.

Heading your way in a few weeks bob .