David Kelly

[pessimist]

Just finished watching this. Anyone believe the government was innocent? Anyone believe the previous lot would have behaved better. Anyone want to explain to me again that no vote is a wasted vote?

Don't bother replying unless you've just watched it,

 

[marina95]

Campbell

 

[[2574]]

Whether the other lot would have behaved better is irrelevant. What is absolutely galling is that a government can act in this manner and my taxes pay for their scandaous misdemeanours. We can't have this crowd in again after May, we just can't. They've gotta go.

 

[tworeefs]

It will be interesting to see whether programs like this, reminding voters that we were lied to over the reason for invading Iraq, will have a significant influence on the outcome of the general election. My concern is that memories are short and it will be forgotton that it is the government and its warmongering that has jeopardised peace and security, not just in this country, but on a global scale.

 

[tcm]

flippinek, i reckon thhey waited and waited with this one eh? Not in election time so no broadcastin restrictions mebbe? Blair looked a bit detached - campbell a total git! I wonder if he'll have summink to say? I hear the ending was that he praps didn't take his own life but it was all hushed up.

 

[Chris_Rayner]

My missus and I wonder if he topped himself so that his wife would have a pension. It was perfectly likely that he would have been disciplined and deprived of his pension. Once he was dead and no disciplinary case could be brought he was sure she would be financially secure. I guess he was also very depressed.

 

[alant]

Strong impression that AC was/is an arrogant/nasty piece of work & that the Government was thoroughly discredited in this affair!
However, SWMBO has a sneeking suspicion that this prog had a strong political motive, particularly with election looming & didn't the BBC guy who got his wrist slapped & resigned go to CH4?

 

[Lakesailor]

So we don't deserve to know what shits they are before we use our little vote?

 

[Talbot]

Thought it was a good piece of drama, and whilst suspecting that a great deal of it was accurate, do you all really believe that anything shown on TV is accurate - especially a docudrama. After all, arnt you all the same people that were protesting about the volcano docudrama


Suspect BBC does have a long memory, and that timing was intentional, which actually is good because of the impact on some floating voters, but also raises the potential for inaccuracy, sacrificed for sensationalism.

 

[AlexL]

I didn't see the program, so cannot comment on the Kelly thing. Co-incidentally on the Iraq thing, I thought the comments in the budget about record high oil prices were a bit galling - who's bloody fault is it that the oil prices are so high? And is it just me, or do other people think that the government would get alot more credibility and respect if they just put their hands up and said "sorry, we F**ked up on Iraq"

 

[Lakesailor]

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Thought it was a good piece of drama, and whilst suspecting that a great deal of it was accurate, do you all really believe that anything shown on TV is accurate -

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But we only have TV,radio and newspapers to inform us. If you believe any of it at face value you'll become very confused.
As with all things you need to collect the information, sift out the rubbish and make a value judgement - Which is what Bliar would say he did.
Ahh, I 've spotted a a flaw in my stance.......

 

[pessimist]

Of course I don't believe everything seen on tv, but I do believe that there is enough evidence to suggest this was substantially true. Who would you believe, the Beeb or HMG?

Agreed the timing does smack of BBC revenge.

BTW never said a thing about the volcano thingy.

Cheers

Colin

 

[hairbox]

Hi all
Quote:Agreed the timing does smack of BBC revenge

I'm sure this programme was aired on C4 maybe my telly's playing up again.

 

[pessimist]

Ooops /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

 

[SlowlyButSurely]

"And is it just me, or do other people think that the government would get alot more credibility and respect if they just put their hands up and said "sorry, we F**ked up on Iraq"


TB has already done this hasn't he with an apology in the House of Commons?

I don't understand this constant whingeing about Iraq. I was under the impression that the invasion was in support of a UN resolution and there was a large majority of the population of the UK in favour.

 

[nicho]

Recorded it, and look forward to being reminded what a dreadful shower is governing us. I cannot help but think that they will be voted back in again, though Howard does at least seem to be coming out of his shell. Not too late I trust.

What I don't understand is that I NEVER, EVER meet anyone who supports this government, so where to their bloomin' votes come from - Sun readers??

 

[tcm]

nobody votes for the govt

hm, but i seem to remeber the same with the tories - nobody voted for them either!

 

[jimi]

Interesting Angle Here

 

[tcm]

Re: iraq support

erm no there wasn't. Over 60% didn't trust the govt and about the same thought the threat of wmd was exagerated. US and UK insisted that the first UN resolution wd NOT be good enough to allow invasion hence france and syria all on board supported that resolution bno prob - but then ahem they decided that praps they didn't need another un resoltion perhaps, and armed with more info based on 12 year old info nicked from a PhD student they started the nice bombing.

I do agree that it's better without saddam hussein, possibly , sort of, but in retrospect as per the proggy and other slightly hushed up stuff, he boasted of loads of weapons that he didn't have. So er it made not much difference and was not in the least bit like Hitler rearming in the 1930's the shadow of whom i think loomed large over all this esp with saddam having a moustache as well.

Now , we are merely known to be free of iraq threat instaead of actually free of iraq threat but not utterly sure. Note that at the last moment he did say fair cop come and bring more inspectors at which point we cd've had loads and loads of inspectors trotting around the place but they'd had the vote by then and reckoned they were ok to go in.

So, the world is hardly v different apart from the monster terrorist threat which is now worse than after internment i N Ireland and cd easily rumble on for that long, the oil prices and 20,000ish dead people and £4bn quid in Uk and £100bn by the US. I can't help feeling that a safer pair of hands foreign sec-wise (hurd? dunno) wd've sorted it out. Altho possibly corrupt, even mark thatcher cd've done sometghing cos he and lots of arab bigwigs or their kids seem to have all gone to the same bunch of minor public schools in the home counties...

 

[pessimist]

Fascinating, but not, I fear, surprising.