Cruising yacht without genoa winches?

[Martin_J]

A Genoa would have a wider sheeting angle than a jib & the car would be further aft & out board of the caps

It would... and then you could have a deck mounted turning blocks on the cockpit combing and then take the sheet forwards to the winches either side of the companionway from these..

The sheets would turn through nearly 180 degrees at the turning blocks but it would work.

 

[Martin_J]

A Genoa would have a wider sheeting angle than a jib & the car would be further aft & out board of the caps

It would... and then you could have a deck mounted turning blocks on the cockpit combing and then take the sheet forwards to the winches either side of the companionway from these..

The sheets would turn through nearly 180 degrees at the turning blocks but it would work.

 

[Martin_J]

A Genoa would have a wider sheeting angle than a jib & the car would be further aft & out board of the caps

It would... and then you could have a deck mounted turning blocks on the cockpit combing and then take the sheet forwards to the winches either side of the companionway from these..

The sheets would turn through nearly 180 degrees at the turning blocks but it would work.

 

[sailorman]

Oooooooooooooo
an Echo has developed in here

 

[cmedsailor]

Seven years ago I was between that model and the boat I have. This was the major reason I rejected it. It's just too many function for two winches to do. Plus, NOTHING is near the helm, so not the best for single handling.
I have seen a SO34.2 with additional winches added (the usual arrangmenet left and right from the wheel) but they can be used only for spinnaker lines, not for the genoa.

 

[Martin_J]

echoooo. oopps.. sorry..

I didn't think I'd even managed to make one posting whilst mobile!

 

[Martin_J]

or did I mean to go round three sets of turning blocks

 

[bitbaltic]

A pal has had two SO's (the 26 foot whateveritis and now the 29.2) and he has never complained about this configuration which I think they both had (certainly the 29.2 does). For me it's not a characteristic of a sea boat to be without primary winches. It's not only sail handling but the ability to lead other lines to winches or strong points when things get tough or you want to recover a MOB, kedge off, set a bridle, etc etc. accept this is not much of a concern for charter boats in the med which much of the SO market seems to aim at and perhaps the builder's savings are passed on to the buyer. But for me on a boat of 30-odd foot the lack of primary winches is a show stopper.

We have a Hanse so if we want easy sail handling at the expense of a bit of trim we can set its self tacker which has a sheet led back to the coach roof. If the idea on the part of the builder is to provide an option of simpler sail controls then this would achieve exactly the same thing so cost saving must play a part in boats with everything on the coach roof.

On top of that I am not sure how well you will ever get your headsail set when the track is on the coach roof and so close to the centerline, there is something to be said for having a track there as well as on the side decks, but not on the coach roof alone.

Cheers

 

[shaunksb]

We had one of these for about 6 years and never found the winch position a problem.

In fact for a cruising couple having all the sail controls in one position in the centre of the boat gives a very safe position from which to operate things. It can be a long way down to the leeward sheet winch on a lot of modern cruisers when you are hard on the wind. It doesn't take a second to jam off the genny sheet if you want to adjust something else. We even managed a bit of (white sails) racing like this without any problems and have the trophies to prove it. The boat sails well.

Here we are in Scotland one year, you will see the sheeting angles work perfectly.

In contrast to some posts I also found it very easy to single hand because of this albeit with an autopilot but I did several trips across the Irish Sea on my own. We had a chart plotter under the spray hood and from there you have a commanding and safe position.

Certainly wouldn't put me off buying another and the OP looks like he is getting a good deal.

Shaun

 

[telford_mike]

Lots of very useful stuff....

Thanks for posting Shaun, that's very useful. We normally sail as a couple, with the kids in tow once a season or so. Did you have the 2 or 3 cabin model? Accommodation ok? In particular, is the forepeak ok for an adult couple?

Thanks,

Mike.

 

[shaunksb]

Thanks for posting Shaun, that's very useful. We normally sail as a couple, with the kids in tow once a season or so. Did you have the 2 or 3 cabin model? Accommodation ok? In particular, is the forepeak ok for an adult couple?

Thanks,

Mike.

We had the 2 cabin as the one in your advert.

Accommodation is good, excellent heads/shower, plenty of stowage, enormous rear bunk.

The for peak would be ideal for me and Kyle Minogue but not so good for me and Billy Connolly!


Shaun