Cruising yacht without genoa winches?

[telford_mike]

Spotted a boat for sale (Jeanneau 34.2, circa 1999), which is not fitted with genoa winches - the sheets are led to the coach roof along with the other control lines.

I've never come across this on a modern AWB. Does anyone have any experience of such a setup, and would it prove awkward in everyday use?

 

[Hypocacculus]

How about a link to the ad?

 

[Grumpybear]

Standard on the 34.2, though I've never seen it on other boats. It seems to work, but for short handed sailing you do need a reliable autopilot!

 

[sailorman]

Spotted a boat for sale (Jeanneau 34.2, circa 1999), which is not fitted with genoa winches - the sheets are led to the coach roof along with the other control lines.

I've never come across this on a modern AWB. Does anyone have any experience of such a setup, and would it prove awkward in everyday use?

More like non overlapping Jib set up than Genoa

 

[Grumpybear]

More like non overlapping Jib set up than Genoa

150% genoa on the 34.2 I know of.

 

[sailorman]

150% genoa on the 34.2 I know of.

with extra winches no doubt

 

[telford_mike]

How about a link to the ad?

http://yacht-fractions.co.uk/yacht/search/yachtshare/844

 

[Heckler]

Spotted a boat for sale (Jeanneau 34.2, circa 1999), which is not fitted with genoa winches - the sheets are led to the coach roof along with the other control lines.

I've never come across this on a modern AWB. Does anyone have any experience of such a setup, and would it prove awkward in everyday use?

My 95 bene 351 only had one coachroof winch, had jammers on the sheets, was tricky to work out in a hurry!
Stu

 

[Hypocacculus]

Hmm. I see that the genoa tracks are on the coach roof, and the self tailers by the companionway are doubling up as genoa winches. As I've never used a boat set up like this, any comment of mine would be mere speculation.

My cynical side says it's convenient cost cutting for the boatbuilder and I can't see any benefit to the user. Mind you, as its based in the Ionian, there's no wind most of the time anyway so it's probably perfect...

 

[flaming]

Spotted a boat for sale (Jeanneau 34.2, circa 1999), which is not fitted with genoa winches - the sheets are led to the coach roof along with the other control lines.

I've never come across this on a modern AWB. Does anyone have any experience of such a setup, and would it prove awkward in everyday use?

Had it on my Dad's old Legend.

If you have the jamming turning blocks for the sheets it can work ok, as when you need to do anything with a halyard you just lock off the sheet at the block, do what you need to do then put the sheet back on the winch. The ideal solution though would probably be to fit the spinlock winchfeeder like this in in front of both banks of clutches, so that you can just lead whatever line you're working on to the free winch.

To be honest if the Jib tracks are on the coachroof I think it's probably preferable on a cruising boat than trying to get 4 winches into the area either side of the hatch.

 

[telford_mike]

Thanks all, sounds like it's not as unusual as I'd feared

 

[JimC]

My Hunter Channel 31 has the tracks for the genoa (110% non self-tacking) on each side of the coachroof and the sheets are led via jammer turning blocks to the self-tailing winches either side of the companionway - the same winches as are used for the halyards etc. Sharing the winches in this way doesn't seem to cause any particular problems. It's handy for single-handing: I tie the jib sheets together and sheet the jib in using the winch on the windward side (the turning blocks make this easy) which is the side I'm sitting on. With the winches on the coachroof you're facing forwards as you operate them

 

[Grumpybear]

with extra winches no doubt

No. The coach roof winches take the genoa sheets. Go and find one to look at, since one might think you doubt either my sanity or my honesty.

 

[sailorman]

No. The coach roof winches take the genoa sheets. Go and find one to look at, since one might think you doubt either my sanity or my honesty.

how does the sheet from a 150% genoa get up onto the coachroof mounted winches

 

[Grumpybear]

how does the sheet from a 150% genoa get up onto the coachroof mounted winches

Go and look for yourself! It isn't me who wants to know.

 

[sailorman]

Go and look for yourself! It isn't me who wants to know.

Only trying to help the Op wots your angle

 

[telford_mike]

Found some pics that shed a little light on it..

http://www.yachtsnet.co.uk/archives/sun-odyssey-342/sun-odyssey-342.htm

 

[Grumpybear]

Only trying to help the Op wots your angle

No angle. I know that the arrangement the OP outlined is standard on the 34.2, but can't remember the detail. Your approach seemed a little aggressive; sorry if I was a little too thin skinned.

 

[lpdsn]

Spotted a boat for sale (Jeanneau 34.2, circa 1999), which is not fitted with genoa winches - the sheets are led to the coach roof along with the other control lines.

I've never come across this on a modern AWB. Does anyone have any experience of such a setup, and would it prove awkward in everyday use?

The Mystery 35 has the same arrangement. I guess the thinking is that with a smaller headsail a skilled operator can get the sheet in without really needing a winch, so the winch is just for minor adjustments when trimming.

Not sure if it'd be quite as easy with a genny, however the sheets get onto the coachroof.

 

[sailorman]

The Mystery 35 has the same arrangement. I guess the thinking is that with a smaller headsail a skilled operator can get the sheet in without really needing a winch, so the winch is just for minor adjustments when trimming.

Not sure if it'd be quite as easy with a genny, however the sheets get onto the coachroof.

A Genoa would have a wider sheeting angle than a jib & the car would be further aft & out board of the caps