creosote

[EASLOOP]

Hello out there,

Is there any product for wooden hulls that will do what anti-foul does but a lot cheaper - such as creosote for example?

John

 

[Lakesailor]

If anyone knows where to get creosote, I'd like to know as well. I think our EU masters have directed against it.

 

[alienzdive]

Chilli powder and commercial weed killer in emulsion paint.
Would never be such a cheap skate myself, but that should answer your question.

 

[EASLOOP]

my skates are quite expensive actually

 

[ccscott49]

I used chili powder in my last antifouling, (1 kilo per 20 litres) so I'll keep you posted as to it's effectiveness. Seems good so far.

Emulsion would not last very long on a boat, moving through the water.

But, in the far east, thats what they do, but not with emulsion, they use some other paint.

 

[TrueBlue]

Re: creosote - where

Creosote is alive and well - less the toxic bit - and is sold as creosote substitute.

Can be bought at Homebase, Focus and B&Q. Both hide it away where it's not easy to find, 'cos they want you to buy more expensive less effective water based preparations.

I've use it on a rope button this year and it still smells of creosote - so I assume it is still effective.

 

[VicS]

Re: creosote - where

Real, coal tar, creosote is still available for professional users but banned for amateur use. See here

 

[sofka]

Try mixing Jeyes Fluid into the creosote.

 

[m1taylor]

Re: creosote - where

I used some of this 'substitute' creosote the other day on a shed. It's rubbish compared to the original - the wood will need much more of it, more regularly. So in banning the original, you have to slop twice as much rubbish on twice as often. Makes sense doesn't it!

 

[VicS]

Re: Creosote

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I used some of this 'substitute' creosote the other day on a shed. It's rubbish compared to the original

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I don't see how you can judge the substitute based on that. You should carry out a long term test, under controlled conditions, of its preservative ability compared with that of traditional coal tar creosote. Failing that at least compare its analysis for phenols against the British Standard for coaltar creosote.

Coal tar creosote has been banned for amateur use because recent research has indicated that the benzopyrene in it is much more carcinogenic than previously thought.

So it has been banned to protect the health of you and your family, not to relieve you of more cash.

You will find some info here: http://www.dti.gov.uk/ccp/topics1/facts/creosote.htm and sheds more elsewhere if you do a Google search.

It looks as though I should have disposed of the last of the coal tar creosote that I personally tested in the lab. for compliance with the British Standard. Just as I did with the Halon fire extinguishers, the spare refills and the TBT antifouling back in the eighties.

 

[ducked]

Should be fairly easy to make. In crude form its just a destructive distillate of wood, coal, oil or all three. I believe the coal-derived stuff is the most toxic, which would seem to be what you want in this context

The environmental damage would be between you and your conscience, but the scale you might be doing it on is going to be insignificant compared to the professional polluters (that might still be licensed to kill.)

Round here there's still a bit of sea coal comes up on the beach, probably enough for this purpose.

Whether its worth it is a different question. I doubt it'll be very effective as an antifouling since I think creosoted wood piles grew stuff on the surface fairly quickly, though the bulk pressure treated wood remained preserved.

As a wood preservative, say in the bilges, it'll likely be somewhat effective, but messy, and you might end up having to sleep with it, and/or the fishes.

If I had a wooden boat I'd be more likely to try it.

 

[2Tizwoz]

Should be fairly easy to make. In crude form its just a destructive distillate of wood, coal, oil or all three. I believe the coal-derived stuff is the most toxic, which would seem to be what you want in this context

The environmental damage would be between you and your conscience, but the scale you might be doing it on is going to be insignificant compared to the professional polluters (that might still be licensed to kill.)

Round here there's still a bit of sea coal comes up on the beach, probably enough for this purpose.

Whether its worth it is a different question. I doubt it'll be very effective as an antifouling since I think creosoted wood piles grew stuff on the surface fairly quickly, though the bulk pressure treated wood remained preserved.

As a wood preservative, say in the bilges, it'll likely be somewhat effective, but messy, and you might end up having to sleep with it, and/or the fishes.

If I had a wooden boat I'd be more likely to try it.

There isn't a similarly effective product with the result that timber fence posts no longer have a satisfactory life. Farmers are turning to steel Electric companies are able to use creoste for their overhead lines as people don't regularly come into contact with them..

 

[RunAgroundHard]

I think easyloop’s hull have returned to compost by now.

 

[Graham376]

There isn't a similarly effective product with the result that timber fence posts no longer have a satisfactory life. Farmers are turning to steel Electric companies are able to use creoste for their overhead lines as people don't regularly come into contact with them..

Diesel and old engine oil mix works pretty well on fence post bottoms if left to soak it up for while.

 

[AntarcticPilot]

If there was something effective that was cheaper, it would be on the market. The stuff we use is a minor part of an economically important industry.

 

[Neeves]

If there was something effective that was cheaper, it would be on the market. The stuff we use is a minor part of an economically important industry.

If there was something effective even if more expensive, more difficult to apply and also environmentally acceptable it would be on the market.

Jonathan

 

[Irish Rover]

I think I was addicted to creosote when I was young. There was a railway yard not far from us, and I'd go there to sit on a pile of sleepers for hours on end. A friends father worked on the railway and they had lots of old sleepers in their garden. We made a fort from them and it was another one of my favourite places.

 

[Thistle]

Thinking back a few(!) years, there was always an old boat berthed in the local harbour. It had been converted to hold tanks of some tar/creosote concoction which the fishermen used for nets and the associated ropes which were periodically dipped in the goo and then hung out to dry.

The wooden boats, on the other hand, were always carefully painted with multiple layers of oil-based paint.

If it was good enough for them ... .

 

[Refueler]

I think I was addicted to creosote when I was young. There was a railway yard not far from us, and I'd go there to sit on a pile of sleepers for hours on end. A friends father worked on the railway and they had lots of old sleepers in their garden. We made a fort from them and it was another one of my favourite places.

Many 'Dachas' here are built from 'retired' Railway Sleepers ... even the house I'm in has its main wall construction from untreated sleepers (1908) ... then clad. Its warm in winter and cool in summer.

 

[Refueler]

Thinking back a few(!) years, there was always an old boat berthed in the local harbour. It had been converted to hold tanks of some tar/creosote concoction which the fishermen used for nets and the associated ropes which were periodically dipped in the goo and then hung out to dry.

The wooden boats, on the other hand, were always carefully painted with multiple layers of oil-based paint.

If it was good enough for them ... .

Usually in the 'old days' ... ship stuff such as wires / cables etc were dipped in Ferroil (waste Whale oil based and then later some other base) or where standing rig - White Lead and Tallow... Cordage would be Tar ... with hulls often given a coat of Stockholm Tar before overlaid with conventional coating.