Capt Popeye
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You have my permission to ask.
Well I would rather not ask Him , Them , etc ; got me on a weeks Shore Leave t'other week ; so still a bit rusty and bruised since returning to fold {
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COLREG Survey - Familiarity with sailboat day signals
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Well I would rather not ask Him , Them , etc ; got me on a weeks Shore Leave t'other week ; so still a bit rusty and bruised since returning to fold {
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Poignard
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You do not need to capitalise 'him' unless you are referring to God.Well I would rather not ask Him , Them , etc ; got me on a weeks Shore Leave t'other week ; so still a bit rusty since returning to fold {
His vicars on earth have to make do with a small 'h'.
awol
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Now you have brought religion, sexism, sizeism and probaly other isms as well into this thread we only need Hitler and the B word to finish it off.
Capt Popeye
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Many thanks Skipper P , corr I might get another week on shore leave ?
On second thoughts though , as I might have , in error maybe , refered to him in his official capacity as a moderator not in his secondary role as a vicar ; corr gota remember to watch which role he (Him /him) is operating under , at all times , eh ?
Thanks for the warning
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I believe that Google Forms only accesses your email address if you are signed in to a Google account when you visit the site. If you were signed in to a Google account and you went to gmail.com, it would open the relevant email account; Google Forms is part of the same suite of applications and to my knowledge it operates in the same way.
When I follow the link it gives my email address followed by 'not shared' which I take to mean that it won't be shared with the person receiving the form results.
When I follow the link it gives my email address followed by 'not shared' which I take to mean that it won't be shared with the person receiving the form results.
AntarcticPilot
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Actually, my assumption is that if they have sails up, they're sailing. I don't know about others, but if I were motor sailing (which I rarely do), I regard myself as sailing - in many ways my ability to manoeuvre is limited by things like avoiding gybes or unplanned tacks just as much as it is under sail alone. I frequently sail under Genoa alone, that being the easiest sail to set and furl while single-handed.
As for the physics, it is what it is. The figures I quoted are for a person of average visual acuity; you may be one of those fortunate persons with above average acuity. But if I was motor sailing, any cone hoisted in my fore triangle would be invisible through at least 180°, being behind the Genoa!
ylop
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I believe that is the correct assumption. We should probably have a special signal to show if we have our sails up but are using the engine too!
ah, well that seems to be a behaviour that is not uncommon amongst yachtsmen! When you are actually sailing on a collision course with them it does lead to a confusion - you know they probably are motoring, but will they giveaway or hope you don't notice and their "starboard tack" takes precedence?
The OP's question (which everyone already knew the answer to) would have been much more interesting if he had added "whilst motorsailing without a cone, I expect:
a) other vessels to know I am motorsailing and will give way if required to do so
b) other vessels to assume I am sailing and thus they will give way to me when required to do so
c) other vessels to standon as long as possible until it becomes clear if I will chicken out first."
Yeah I'm not convinced that you have right metric though. The question is, at what distance can you perceive a typical motoring cone, not at what difference can you separate two objects. There's a bunch of information my brain gets that might give me a clue that I'm seeing a motoring cone - is it on a yacht? are the yacht's sails up? does its rough shape make sense? is it black? That's different to a classic eye test where you want to know if the character is a C or an E. Really the question for the watchkeeper is just - is there a shape displayed in the right place that justifies lifting the binoculars. Its like seeing a bird flying in the distance - I can't identify the species, but I can definitely spot a bird because of its position and movement.
I don't believe I have exceptional eyesight, I wear glasses for distance (without them I wouldn't even see the boat at 500m never mind its motoring cone). Does your genoa really obstruct 180 deg? mine is probably only 120 deg at most, and I could probably find somewhere to fly it (like the windward shroud or backstay) where it might actually be seen more. However, I never like to assume a yacht coming towards me has seen me if I can't see the crew in the cockpit (e.g. they are hidden behind the genoa).
I don't do much motorsailing, and its rarely busy when I do - motorsailing on busy bank holiday in the solent is different to doing it in on a Tuesday in April 5 miles of tiree. I can be out all day without me or anyone else making any course corrections for the Colregs - going forward to hang a cone nobody will see may be an unnecessary risk.
john_morris_uk
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Ahem.
I suppose you can argue the RIB should still display a diamond towing vessel signal.
john_morris_uk
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Firstly, although I remain a clerk in holy orders until the day I die, I’m no longer a Vicar. I’m retired. Being a Vicar is an appointment with all the legal obligations etc that entails. I’m now retired and my only paid work is as a freelance examiner for the RYA/MCA.
Secondly, we don’t discuss moderation.
As far as I’m concerned, if a new member asks people to complete a survey and we ‘approve their post’, it doesn’t mean anything more than we’ve allowed his/her post to appear on the forum. It’s up to individuals whether they care to respond. We don’t approve of disapprove of the content of their survey beyond checking that it’s boating related and therefore of interest to forumites.
srm
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I had an encounter with a tug and tow around the middle of the North Sea while heading towards Norway. The tow was about half a mile away and we were reaching under small headsail in 35 to 40 knots of wind. The tug was kind enough to call us up and point out that the platform just about visible in the murk was its tow.
Once we had altered to let them pass ahead I took a close look at the tug through binoculars, its diamond towing signal was presumably the legal size, but even so was very difficult to make out as the vessel rolled its way down wind as it was amongst all the other items mounted above the wheelhouse.
When learning the lights and shapes they always appear large and obvious in illustrations. In reality they are often small and may be obscured in relation to the vessel displaying them. They are still useful though, as with the time a rig supply ship appeared through the murk, anchored over 100 miles from the nearest land. Some time later we came across its buddies anchoring a drilling rig.
Once we had altered to let them pass ahead I took a close look at the tug through binoculars, its diamond towing signal was presumably the legal size, but even so was very difficult to make out as the vessel rolled its way down wind as it was amongst all the other items mounted above the wheelhouse.
When learning the lights and shapes they always appear large and obvious in illustrations. In reality they are often small and may be obscured in relation to the vessel displaying them. They are still useful though, as with the time a rig supply ship appeared through the murk, anchored over 100 miles from the nearest land. Some time later we came across its buddies anchoring a drilling rig.
awol
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200m of Oppies? Seems a bit excessive!
Capt Popeye
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Humm , well thank you jm , for clarifying your possition on all that ; many of us I assume are not aquainted with the Church of Englands orders etc , so your remarks do offer us an informed (from the Horses Mouth) much needed information , for which we might be duly gratefull .
Might suggest though that any similar request from an unknown scource carrys a statement to the fact that PBO have not scruitinised or checked out the scource ; so has not PBO approval , then we might not believe or understand that the scource is already veted ; this might be veted for Security , Internet safety , content , country of origin , etc etc
Just thought
Neeves
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I'm still waiting for the 'owners' of the survey to identify themselves and explain why originally they thought it would not be questioned that they were anonymous. The longer it takes ......????
Despite protestations to the contrary it seems a good way to add a some email addresses focussed at a special interest group. I appreciate the public face of the survey has said that he/she or they do not see the email addresses but then a man of high integrity, such as the President of the USA swore to uphold the Constitution......
I do confess, down playing any conspiracy theories, that if I wanted a random list of email addresses focussed at boating I would have made the survey a bit more interesting to encourage a wider response.
But I'm still not completing the survey.
Jonathan
Despite protestations to the contrary it seems a good way to add a some email addresses focussed at a special interest group. I appreciate the public face of the survey has said that he/she or they do not see the email addresses but then a man of high integrity, such as the President of the USA swore to uphold the Constitution......
I do confess, down playing any conspiracy theories, that if I wanted a random list of email addresses focussed at boating I would have made the survey a bit more interesting to encourage a wider response.
But I'm still not completing the survey.
Jonathan
Poignard
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I am expecting my inbox to be choked with emails from purveyors of motor-sailing cones ?
Capt Popeye
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Yes please do tell if that happens to you Skipper P
Might also get them in various colours as well ?
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I would have offered you mine, but having moved to Saltash and under the close eye of several Admirals across the Tamar at Devonport and The Longroom, think I had best start using it.
kalel20
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Thank you for your post.
Like you I also like to stay anonymous
As this is, for now, still only a personal project, I didn't find it necessary to identify completely for an online anonymous questionnaire where I am not asking for some special personal information. As stated, it is a project in which by observing traffic in an area of the Mediterranean sea we noticed that nobody is displaying a cone with apex down when motor sailing. We conducted the survey in that area to find out why people don't show mandatory day signal. As an addition, I wanted to check how is the situation in other areas of the world.
Regarding collecting email addresses. Sorry if I sounded rude to you. I understand if you have some doubts regarding your privacy, and you have every right not to take part in the survey if you are worried for any reason. When posting a survey on google forms author can choose to collect addresses or not collect them. I chose not to collect them because I have no use of them. I don't know why you had this required when you clicked on link, that should not be the case. I opened the questionnaire in other browsers where I am not logged in on google and I was never requested to enter email address to complete the questionnaire.
"Google Forms can be anonymous, but the form maker must enable that feature through the form's settings. If your name or email address aren't asterisked questions that require a response, your Google Form responses are anonymous.
- After opening the form, if you notice there isn't any asterisk question besides 'Email Address,' that means you are not bound to put the details. And this form is indeed anonymous.
- When you receive the link, open that form in incognito (private) mode to ensure it requires any sign in or you can submit the feedback anonymously.
As for the quality of the survey, I hope next time it will be better in every way
Thank you for all your comments.
NormanS
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If this is just a "personal project", why all the stuff about a "Maritime Faculty"? (Whatever that is).Thank you for your post.
Like you I also like to stay anonymous
As stated, it is a project in which by observing traffic in an area of the Mediterranean sea we noticed that nobody is displaying a cone with apex down when motor sailing. We conducted the survey in that area to find out why people don't show mandatory day signal. As an addition, I wanted to check how is the situation in other areas of the world.
Regarding collecting email addresses. Sorry if I sounded rude to you. I understand if you have some doubts regarding your privacy, and you have every right not to take part in the survey if you are worried for any reason. When posting a survey on google forms author can choose to collect addresses or not collect them. I chose not to collect them because I have no use of them. I don't know why you had this required when you clicked on link, that should not be the case. I opened the questionnaire in other browsers where I am not logged in on google and I was never requested to enter email address to complete the questionnaire.
"Google Forms can be anonymous, but the form maker must enable that feature through the form's settings. If your name or email address aren't asterisked questions that require a response, your Google Form responses are anonymous.
If these both work okay, that means there isn’t any chance to share your personal information. Feel free to answer the questions or share honest feedback."
- After opening the form, if you notice there isn't any asterisk question besides 'Email Address,' that means you are not bound to put the details. And this form is indeed anonymous.
- When you receive the link, open that form in incognito (private) mode to ensure it requires any sign in or you can submit the feedback anonymously.
As for the quality of the survey, I hope next time it will be better in every way
Thank you for all your comments.
Poignard
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I think you have misled us,and there was no need to.Thank you for your post.
Like you I also like to stay anonymous
As stated, it is a project in which by observing traffic in an area of the Mediterranean sea we noticed that nobody is displaying a cone with apex down when motor sailing. We conducted the survey in that area to find out why people don't show mandatory day signal. As an addition, I wanted to check how is the situation in other areas of the world.
Regarding collecting email addresses. Sorry if I sounded rude to you. I understand if you have some doubts regarding your privacy, and you have every right not to take part in the survey if you are worried for any reason. When posting a survey on google forms author can choose to collect addresses or not collect them. I chose not to collect them because I have no use of them. I don't know why you had this required when you clicked on link, that should not be the case. I opened the questionnaire in other browsers where I am not logged in on google and I was never requested to enter email address to complete the questionnaire.
"Google Forms can be anonymous, but the form maker must enable that feature through the form's settings. If your name or email address aren't asterisked questions that require a response, your Google Form responses are anonymous.
If these both work okay, that means there isn’t any chance to share your personal information. Feel free to answer the questions or share honest feedback."
- After opening the form, if you notice there isn't any asterisk question besides 'Email Address,' that means you are not bound to put the details. And this form is indeed anonymous.
- When you receive the link, open that form in incognito (private) mode to ensure it requires any sign in or you can submit the feedback anonymously.
As for the quality of the survey, I hope next time it will be better in every way
Thank you for all your comments.
gordmac
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Five pages of comments, some borderline rude, on someone asking why sailors in general don't obey the rules!
