Clip on cleat midships ?

[alahol2]

Until you get a permanent solution, a pulley attached to the toerail would be perfect for solo berthing.
Rig the middle rope (with large bowline lop on end, ideally threaded through a bit of water pipe to keep open) through pulley and back to genoa winch. This allows the loop to be dropped on a cleat whilst still on board, then the spring to be shortened tensioned from the cockpit before putting the power on to pin in.
Pop the kettle on, have a cuppa - then step ashore and rig the other ropes

That's what we do even though we've got a midships cleat. Soft shackle round cleat, rope through soft shackle back to cockpit.

 

[Refueler]

We fitted ours to the toe ail using short section of stainless box bolted to the rail and then normal cleat mounted on the top, this lifts it above the fail heigh, this is used consistently as we lock in and out and need to hold mid ships

That I like .....

Bow mooring puts lines through a fairlead - basically enlarged freeing port holes in toe-rail .... already had one line chafe.

Maybe a fashioned hard wood block .....

mmmm thinking !!

 

[fisherman]

Instant removable cleat, aka belaying pin. Piece of SS/bronze/brass bar, to fit toerail hole. Inside it is either bigger or has a small flange. Push it out through the hole, instant cleat. Probably need an eye and lanyard on it. I made these for my FV using an old piece of 1in bronze prop shaft, dropped in a hole in the quarter knee.

 

[fisherman]

That could equally well be a flat wood base sitting on the deck with a samson post and two pegs to go out hrough two holes.

 

[Refueler]

Same as mine - plenty strong enough.

PS - Sweet looking boat but if you don’t mind me saying she’s crying out for white or light grey deck paint! To each their own, obvs.

Initially I hated the red ... in fact I hate red hulls as well ....

But the boat 'grows' on you .... such that I no longer think about ways to change from the red deck.

 

[Refueler]

That could equally well be a flat wood base sitting on the deck with a samson post and two pegs to go out hrough two holes.

I was thinking wood block bolted to toe-rail ... standard cleat fastened on top.... similar to post #19 .....

I also considered elongated U section rod .... legs through toe-rail with the main U part outside toe-rail providing for rope attachment. No block - just nut each side of toe-rail

 

[rgarside]

My boat came with a detachable cleat that clips to the genoa sheet lead tracks, I use it in the way that you describe when single handed.

 

[Refueler]

My boat came with a detachable cleat that clips to the genoa sheet lead tracks, I use it in the way that you describe when single handed.

I have very long genney tracks - but they are too far inboard and any line going over side would be chafed on the toe-rail .... but it was considered.

 

[fisherman]

I was thinking wood block bolted to toe-rail ... standard cleat fastened on top.... similar to post #19 .....

I also considered elongated U section rod .... legs through toe-rail with the main U part outside toe-rail providing for rope attachment. No block - just nut each side of toe-rail

A short wood block will be prone to splitting. Anything fixed that is outside the rail is fine until you get alongside someone, or something in a flop and it gets knocked off. You might as well use an eyebolt in that case.

 

[AntarcticPilot]

I have them, and it's as strong as anything else on the boat. Toerails like that are an integral part of the structure on my boat (Moody 31) and as such anything securely bolted to it is very strong. Mine routinely takes the stresses imposed by using a spring to stop the boat when coming alongside.

 

[LiftyK]

My mid cleats are bolted horizontally through my aluminium toe rail. Super strong and they work well. Sheets do not snag.

 

[Refueler]

My mid cleats are bolted horizontally through my aluminium toe rail. Super strong and they work well. Sheets do not snag.

I have considered mounting normal cleats on outside of the alloy .... they would be proud of boat side .... sheets are inside of this - so only when sheets slack and 'fall' overside may they catch.

Will take a couple of cleats down to boat and see how it looks ...

 

[AntarcticPilot]

My mid cleats are bolted horizontally through my aluminium toe rail. Super strong and they work well. Sheets do not snag.

I should have said, neither do mine.

 

[fisherman]

I have considered mounting normal cleats on outside of the alloy .... they would be proud of boat side .... sheets are inside of this - so only when sheets slack and 'fall' overside may they catch.

Will take a couple of cleats down to boat and see how it looks ...uple of cleats down to boat and see how i

Well if you intend to fit them on the outside, a pinrail would be snag free.

 

[wombat88]

It really hurts when you kick a mid cleat or even worse get a couple of toes under one while rushing forward. They are not much use when you are lying on the foredeck groaning in pain.

 

[srm]

It really hurts when you kick a mid cleat or even worse get a couple of toes under one while rushing forward. They are not much use when you are lying on the foredeck groaning in pain.

Sounds an incredibly foolish thing to do. Even my land lubber charterers failed to achieve that level of ineptitude, though all potential trip hazards were marked with a small circle of red paint.

 

[AntarcticPilot]

It really hurts when you kick a mid cleat or even worse get a couple of toes under one while rushing forward. They are not much use when you are lying on the foredeck groaning in pain.

Mine are located where kicking them is not even slightly likely. I'm completely unaware of them as a trip hazard; there are other things much more likely to be a trip haard.

 

[Refueler]

It really hurts when you kick a mid cleat or even worse get a couple of toes under one while rushing forward. They are not much use when you are lying on the foredeck groaning in pain.

Given genny sheet cars / tracks etc - I think a cleat is least of concerns !!

 

[PetiteFleur]

I also have the YS cleats which bolt to the toe rail - never had a problem with them, but did have to drill a hole in the toe rail for one bolt as the existing holes did not line up. Not cheap though, a quick Google says Seamark Nunn are cheapest at £140 each. I picked mine up cheap from ebay years ago as they were shop soiled.

 

[Refueler]

It may sound a bit paranoid .... but using toe-rail as mount for a cleat .... I am inclined to use a GFN moulded cleat instead of metal. Then if real stress comes on - the cleat would give way before the toe-rail ...

GFN ? The typical black 'plastic' cleats are often Glass Filled Nylon ... a very strong form of nylon ...