Buckingham 20 restoration, formerly Plant Pot

[longjohnsilver]

Keep on with it, she will look amazing when you’ve finished. Keep us updated and have a great Christmas.

 

[waynes world]

Keep on with it, she will look amazing when you’ve finished. Keep us updated and have a great Christmas.

Thanks fella, been hard this year with one thing and another so this should get me in gear to get it launched this spring. Back on 13hr days at work is the weekday killer to get much done after work. Still not far now

All best to you as well

 

[jfm]

Nice stuff and glad (+impressed :encouragement to hear you're using pre-bent s/s corners welded in. That is how the pros and superyacht builders do it. When you're working on the 25mm you can use short leftovers/offcuts of the 22 slipped inside, to assist alignment when welding.

Wayne I might sound a broken record and don't want to rain on your great parade but as you know from above I am worried about weight build up on this project. If you kept a tally of the kg you are adding it might be worrying. Fine for river use, but you need to be careful about sea. I'm thinking things like mosaic ceramics. Each individual item is nearly nothing but you can soon find all the interior is 500kg! I'm very happy to be told I'm over worrying, and you'll have a better idea of the kg count than me of course.

 

[waynes world]

Nice stuff and glad (+impressed :encouragement to hear you're using pre-bent s/s corners welded in. That is how the pros and superyacht builders do it. When you're working on the 25mm you can use short leftovers/offcuts of the 22 slipped inside, to assist alignment when welding.

Wayne I might sound a broken record and don't want to rain on your great parade but as you know from above I am worried about weight build up on this project. If you kept a tally of the kg you are adding it might be worrying. Fine for river use, but you need to be careful about sea. I'm thinking things like mosaic ceramics. Each individual item is nearly nothing but you can soon find all the interior is 500kg! I'm very happy to be told I'm over worrying, and you'll have a better idea of the kg count than me of course.

Just a quick one John as off to work in a ko and arm is dam killing to even tyee

Yes using 22 off cuts to slide in the 25mm, easy to weld up aswell. no blow through.

This is the last of the build really, i get the top heavy weight still, i jsut need to be reminded so not a problem. There is not going to be ant ceramics on but a 0.8mm laminate to be used. I was workig it out a while ago and as you say its to heavy.

I will be getting a load of ballast and have kept room for in in the cabin so. atleast 200kg of lead. I am not to worried about using it on the sea now if its a bit touch n go wht it. I am linign my next project up for that but not as rough as this was. I fouf a few but this year house first.

soryy about the spelling mistakes.

all best John

 

[Kawasaki]

Wayne I have watched this Thread since Day 1
All I can add is
'I Doff my Cap to you Sir'!

 

[waynes world]

Wayne I have watched this Thread since Day 1
All I can add is
'I Doff my Cap to you Sir'!

You know, after the week i have had at work that made me smile, thanks fella.

Appreciate it and glad folk like to read it still.

All best to you and yours

 

[waynes world]

Looks like the canopy frame has worked out



I had a go this afternoon and it works as i wanted and seems ok but for the crappy grub screws holding the fitting on. 3mm dont get a good grip bit so a bit loose and not able to fully tighten them, and 3.5 will not fit. I will have to see if i can get a new set. No big deal of a job.



So here we go.



Easy enough, screw down the frame mounts and stick bits of tune in and cut back to whats needed. The orange line is string from a bar on the canopy to get the correct line up for where i want the frame to be.

As you can see here.


The bars helped me get the rear height of the frame to get a run off towards the back.

Then it was a case to get the hoop fitted by welding in mandrel bent tubes for the corners. Tacked in for now.

I kept the tubes over length so then i could cut back bit by bit until i was happy with it.

Showing the plumb line again where the canopy will drop. I need to sort a better fixture for the canopy to fit to over the engine lid.

And would you adam n eve it, it works



Folds down and hoop slides back as i wanted.

Specs



Hoop is 25mm x 1.2mm wall, lower frame is 22mmx 1.2 wall. This give a real nice fit for the hoop to slide down the legs. The clamps work a treat aswell..



I am thinking on fitting a handle to the middle of the hoop to control the lowering and pushing into position of the hoop.



Also maybe a stainless steel riser block under the front legs so then the frame when folded will lay better.



There is a few more small alterations i think to be done to get it lined up more over the transom but thats it near a dam.



happy with it, but as always any advice to what i can do to make it better is welcome.

 

[waynes world]

Sorry just noticed the images didnt show should do now

 

[Bouba]

Hi Wayne, I see that the shorter length of tube slides up the longer length and, I assume that there will be a hole that the pin slots into. I’m not sure how easy this will be to do once the weight of the canvas is attached and the tubes aren’t as clean and smooth.
The frames I’ve used would have that pivot joint in place (but of course still rotating) and the other end of the short tube detachable from the little bracket on the gunnel.
Boy I hope that was clear!

 

[waynes world]

Hi Wayne, I see that the shorter length of tube slides up the longer length and, I assume that there will be a hole that the pin slots into. I’m not sure how easy this will be to do once the weight of the canvas is attached and the tubes aren’t as clean and smooth.
The frames I’ve used would have that pivot joint in place (but of course still rotating) and the other end of the short tube detachable from the little bracket on the gunnel.
Boy I hope that was clear!

Hi matey

The pin is going to be replaced with a bolt, so no need for a whole for it

I think you mean this pin here in the slider/clamp?

Or are you talking of a holding spring button to hold the sliding tubes together. If so i will be seeing how it goes and holds, if its a bit much i will using a spring button.

So you mean a fixed pivot joint on the top of the short arm?, not sliding/clamp? And the bottom transom end detachable? to make it easier to put up the canopy.

 

[vas]

Folds down and hoop slides back as i wanted.

Wayne,

looks v.good!
now I sort of get where Bouba is going, but slightly lost with your reply.
I want to point another thing though.

Would it be possible to somehow "lift" the front mount so that when the framework collapses it stays flat and there's no stress on the end of the loop 'cause it's staying up due to joint touching down?
[clear on the first pic of the two]
I take it there's no way to make the sliding joint in a lower profile (haven't seen something like that in any of the catalogues tbh)

Give us a timescale for jobs to be done and launch estimate, looks reasonably close now!

cheers

V.

 

[waynes world]

Wayne,

looks v.good!
now I sort of get where Bouba is going, but slightly lost with your reply.
I want to point another thing though.

Would it be possible to somehow "lift" the front mount so that when the framework collapses it stays flat and there's no stress on the end of the loop 'cause it's staying up due to joint touching down?
[clear on the first pic of the two]
I take it there's no way to make the sliding joint in a lower profile (haven't seen something like that in any of the catalogues tbh)

Give us a timescale for jobs to be done and launch estimate, looks reasonably close now!

cheers

V.

I get lost on whats meant at times with replies when reading them, if i was to be face to face with folk i can understand. Slim but dim i am .....ok not so slim now lol.

I was thinking Bouba was talking of the pin in the slider joining the lower leg, which will be removed and replaced with a bolt. And his concern to raise and lower the canopy.


The slider joint is not very big but for the pin sticking out, but as said that is going to be removed in place of a bolt like the end caps are to lower the profile. If thats what you mean.





Yes, i mentioned about that in the original post about a riser block `Also maybe a stainless steel riser block under the front legs so then the frame when folded will lay better.` I am thinking either a Iroko or SS steel one, but then will it be needed once all the canopy is folded back? Wont do any harm in fitting one anyway.

 

[waynes world]

Like this Vas to make the slider lower profile ?

as standard

And when i replace with a bolt

Oh yes time scale of jobs, if i had a week or so full on it i would have it finished but as you will know weather etc etc gets in the way. Reason i am 18 month behind. I have a week of first week in January as its T`s birthday and we was going to go away but house repairs have got in the way. so now i can have a few days to get work done, canopy week that will be.

Lest see

inside to be done is just cosmetics really, line out once prepped, varnish. laminate the galley front and cut openings and put back together. exterior sand back the hull repairs and all the boat and paint then fit horn and a few cleats and bow roller and rear transom SS corner cappings that i will try and make.

Launch i am dam sure it will be launched spring time mid summer latest or sooner.

 

[Bouba]

So you mean a fixed pivot joint on the top of the short arm?, not sliding/clamp? And the bottom transom end detachable? to make it easier to put up the canopy.

Yes, anything in a marine environment will need polishing everyday if you want it to slide

 

[waynes world]

Yes, anything in a marine environment will need polishing everyday if you want it to slide

That is easy solved i cana pin with these the lower rear leg to make it detachable. The pins i have removed from the slider can go in there. Just a matter to drill out the 6mm.

 

[BruceK]

Launch i am dam sure it will be launched spring time mid summer latest or sooner.

ahem, another time and another place we've had this conversation before. More than once.
The throat is parched. Like the Gobi desert. If it isn't in Conwy this season offering ceremonial libation to the Gods with nubile dancing wenches and raucous merriment we will find some other party to gatecrash. You've been warned!

 

[waynes world]

ahem, another time and another place we've had this conversation before. More than once.
The throat is parched. Like the Gobi desert. If it isn't in Conwy this season offering ceremonial libation to the Gods with nubile dancing wenches and raucous merriment we will find some other party to gatecrash. You've been warned!

Well Bruce`y i am so keen on needing to dunk it next season now besides yourself offering these raucous dancing wenches along with T it MUST be done due the threats of divorce mainly if it is not done. Therefore now along with that and due to the missing out on these deeper water riparian soiree`s I am keen on getting it done, ( will have to get some decent cloths to where not stained and full of epoxy ) . Infact i have just got in for a break from faffing about on the boat.

Ah now, if you can help me out with your contacts no doubt you have that a mooring is needed

 

[waynes world]

I have been thinking on setting a launch date the last day or so, to help me crack on more, an incentive. Not easy over winter and long days at work but lets have a look what needs doing in all and to get it ready to launch but comfy and no big jobs to do.

List of total jobs to be done in good detail but may not to be 100% and not in any order of to be done. This is without going on the boat and sitting looking at it.


EXTERIOR

Canopy
Engine lid alteration for canopy to fit.
Fill and sand hull a bit more.
Paint.
Deck fittings ( Horn, Cleats Nav lights )
Wire up dash and deck lights.
Redo the rear deck lockers

HEADS

Laminate Sink front
Finish making inspection hatch`s (half Done)
Flocoat floor
Finish port hole surround
Make/fit door

GALLEY

Laminate galley front and make doors.
Finish mosaic tiles around cooker
Trim

CABIN

Inner Hatch surround, make or buy.
Trim back ply and prep for lining
finish fridge draw
Varnish
Make furnishings


I would a time scale on each job, I dont see the point as you know i am a bit behind already.

Now to get it on the water usable with the rest of the jobs whilst afloat.

EXTERIOR

Canopy/Engine lid
Sand fill
Paint
Deck fittings

INTERIOR

Complete Heads.
Complete Galley
Varnish
Trim ply lining and line.
Make furnishings

A lot of the other smaller jobs can be done in between the main jobs if bad weather is scuppering work on the main exterior jobs.


Launch date will be when i started the project, that being four years ago so 17/05/2019 And launched around Baron Manchester then cruise to Chester to trailer to Conwy, if its stable enough. Need to hope we get a mooring yet though.


Fingers crossed for me please folks .

 

[Seastoke]

I have been thinking on setting a launch date the last day or so, to help me crack on more, an incentive. Not easy over winter and long days at work but lets have a look what needs doing in all and to get it ready to launch but comfy and no big jobs to do.

List of total jobs to be done in good detail but may not to be 100% and not in any order of to be done. This is without going on the boat and sitting looking at it.


EXTERIOR

Canopy
Engine lid alteration for canopy to fit.
Fill and sand hull a bit more.
Paint.
Deck fittings ( Horn, Cleats Nav lights )
Wire up dash and deck lights.
Redo the rear deck lockers

HEADS

Laminate Sink front
Finish making inspection hatch`s (half Done)
Flocoat floor
Finish port hole surround
Make/fit door

GALLEY

Laminate galley front and make doors.
Finish mosaic tiles around cooker
Trim

CABIN

Inner Hatch surround, make or buy.
Trim back ply and prep for lining
finish fridge draw
Varnish
Make furnishings


I would a time scale on each job, I dont see the point as you know i am a bit behind already.

Now to get it on the water usable with the rest of the jobs whilst afloat.

EXTERIOR

Canopy/Engine lid
Sand fill
Paint
Deck fittings

INTERIOR

Complete Heads.
Complete Galley
Varnish
Trim ply lining and line.
Make furnishings

A lot of the other smaller jobs can be done in between the main jobs if bad weather is scuppering work on the main exterior jobs.


Launch date will be when i started the project, that being four years ago so 17/05/2019


Fingers crossed for me please folks .

Your first launch should not be in conwy unlesss you use the marina

 

[waynes world]

Your first launch should not be in conwy unlesss you use the marina

Ah better edit that as it will be launched on the canal near home which is around Barton/Boothstown. Then a few weekends cruise down to Chester then drag to Conwy. That will est it out a bit and see how stable it is.