Buckingham 20 restoration, formerly Plant Pot

[sarabande]

Re: Buckingham 20 restoration, formerly Plant Pot - Thanks from California

Wayne

Did you buy a copy of Don Casey's Canvas Work ?

If not, then I have a spare you can have.

If you can find a tentmaker (or even a sailmaker) near you, it would repay you aces to have a couple of hours familiarisation with him/her And save you so much time. You wouldn't need more than half a morning.

 

[vas]

Re: Buckingham 20 restoration, formerly Plant Pot - Thanks from California

I am hoping that once the side doors are removed it will all fold down as in last pic. If not then i can arrange storage for the canvas somewhere. Even remove the back section also.

how????

confused W!

Don't get me wrong, I like the shape of the canvas, simply the greek lowercase λ of the frame (the red ones) wont fold anywhere. Turn it around so that the long part is actually the aft "corner" of the canvas, and the short one goes halfway the side. Then undo the short one to long junction so that the long slides down and ends up flat (the short goes the other way round aft)
Makes sense?

cheers

V.

 

[waynes world]

Re: Buckingham 20 restoration, formerly Plant Pot - Thanks from California

Wayne

Did you buy a copy of Don Casey's Canvas Work ?

If not, then I have a spare you can have.

If you can find a tentmaker (or even a sailmaker) near you, it would repay you aces to have a couple of hours familiarisation with him/her And save you so much time. You wouldn't need more than half a morning.

Hi matey

There is a company not far from me actually that make awnings and repairs so its worth a call.

And yes i got the Canvas work book, very good read. I feel ok with making the doing canvas work. Just me wanting it spot on. And worrying. And having to much going through my head. And.......well usual me.

how????

confused W!

Don't get me wrong, I like the shape of the canvas, simply the greek lowercase λ of the frame (the red ones) wont fold anywhere. Turn it around so that the long part is actually the aft "corner" of the canvas, and the short one goes halfway the side. Then undo the short one to long junction so that the long slides down and ends up flat (the short goes the other way round aft)
Makes sense?

cheers

V.

Bare with me on that, I have read and reread it and trying to understand that V lol. Been a long weekend and day and goosed now.

I am going to make a mock up of it out of timber to show what i mean.

But the long pole will be jointed about 3/4 the way up and the top half fold vertically whilst the lower bottom half will lay flat along the gunnel. and the short aft to bow pole will detach from the side of the long pole and fold down forward to the side of the lower half of the long pole.

Something like that, but a said i will make a mock up as i need to see for myself aswell, i am sure i have some canvas here i can use if i make a 1/4 size mock up to see how it folds with canvas on.


Thanks guys

 

[burgundyben]

Re: Buckingham 20 restoration, formerly Plant Pot - Thanks from California

Have a look at Baseline marine for canopy fittings, they'll be all you need right there.

I think 19mm fine for a small canopy.

I suggest you need some run off on the top, or rain will puddle on it.

 

[BartW]

Re: Buckingham 20 restoration, formerly Plant Pot - Thanks from California

the shape of your drawing looks similar to the one on our Karnic,
this is our 3th custom made canopy on a sport fishing boat, so I think that this has a combination of many practical features, it can be used in many different configurations.

here are some random pics from the canopy in different configs, for inspiration:

all the sides are individually detachable..with zippers
the rear side, is made in 3 segments (a door left and right so to speak)
we even have thin sun blinding curtains (as in pic 3) fixed on the inside of the roof, with velcro strips
(for sun blinding while eating, or early morning for sleeping)
the forward part can be used separately from the rear part.

I can measure the size of the tubes if you like,
we don't use hinges, the tube frame can be disassembled (the horizontal parts can be separated from the vertical)

The sides can be unzipped on the vertical corners, and each part can than be rolled up and hanging with a small ribbon on the roof. (for temporary opening and quick closiong again), I'm sorry , no pic from that situation...

good luck with this part from your impressive work !

 

[sogood]

Re: Buckingham 20 restoration, formerly Plant Pot - Thanks from California

Hi wayne. I might be way off the mark here, but have you considered the option of moving the short lower arm that runs back down towards the corner of the transom. Move it so that it points in the opposite direction, that is, upwards and forwards, towards the back edge of the cabin roof. Am I making sense? If you do this, then you might only need the one large frame, with this smaller frame hinged in place. With the large frame fixed and hinged at the gunwale, the whole assembly could tip forwards, coming to rest up each side of the open section of the cabin and along the roof edge, thus taking up no room.

My "DIY" top is arranged like this, except that it folds fully forward, over the cabin roof and down in front of the windscreen. It opens out and is clipped in place in less than two minutes. The tubular frames are held tight with straps and this also helps to pull the fabric tight. It's a simpler arrangement/cover than you're making, but I think you could move to a simpler set up. It makes it easier to use and stow when not needed. Mine is just a simple cover against those sudden showers we sometimes get here in Ireland.
( Did I say "sometimes"?) Just a thought.Pics might help, although it a slightly different set up. PS. These pics were taken while it was still a work in progress!

 

[waynes world]

Re: Buckingham 20 restoration, formerly Plant Pot - Thanks from California

Sorry guys, i have looked at your replies and taking it in. I have just been busy with this and that and not even got to make a mock up yet.

Thanks Burgundyben, Baseline have all I need I think, even in 19mm hinged joints. I cant find them anywhere else.

Bart, that is near as dam what I am thinking of. Looks well aswell on your boat. I still need to think on the side panels and how i want the windows, very picky on that point. I like how yours are but without the rear side windows for me.

Hows things Sogood. you in the wet yet?

Just me but i am not keen how it folds over the front screen.

Thanks again guys. I will crack on soon, i am planning on a few days off work to work on my own boat soon, i will be getting some Epoxy filler ordered for the hull repairs and mild steel tube to mock up the canopy, cheap as wood to make, well very little dearer to get. But get a better idea on how it will look and flex etc before made from 316 SS .

 

[sogood]

Re: Buckingham 20 restoration, formerly Plant Pot - Thanks from California

Hey wayne. Sometimes little distractions are no harm as it gives us more time to think things through before biting the bullet. And then, out of nowhere, you get that "light bulb" moment and a much better idea than the original concept pops up. Either way, I'm sure you'll make a great success of it, whichever way you go.

And no, unfortunately, she's not wet yet, apart from al the rain we've had this winter and spring. But it seems to be on the turn and we're getting more sunny, calm days as time progresses. The upside to this is the fact that I've been doing lots of minor, fiddly jobs that I'd intended to sort out when she was actually on the water. But now, I'll have nothing left to do but cruise and fish! But it's getting very close.

My work season has kicked in, so it's a case of getting the right weather, with the right tide, when my mates are available and I'm in between tours. But watch this space.

 

[kashurst]

Re: Buckingham 20 restoration, formerly Plant Pot - Thanks from California

looking seriously good so far. I agree with BurgundyBen re slope, I think it needs a bit more - if it fills with water it will wreck it.
something else to think about with windows, don't let the metal frame touch the clear window material. Even in the UK the summer sun will cause scorching/hardening of the clear panels and reduce the life noticeably. Either cover the metal frame witha few layers of material or design the windows around the metal frame.

 

[sogood]

Re: Buckingham 20 restoration, formerly Plant Pot - Thanks from California

A valid point re; windows. I set mine up so that the clear panel sits between the frame and the frame is covered in pipe insulation. It can be fitted before final assembly to avoid splitting it and using cable ties, like I did! Doh !

 

[Lloydroberts]

Crikey, those portholes! Did the builder not have a tape measure and spirit level?

Of course he did.....unfortunately he has two glass eyes and needs a new bubble in his level


@Wayne: I've only just read this thread and want to commend you on your determination, skill and wonderful workmanship.

 

[waynes world]

Of course he did.....unfortunately he has two glass eyes and needs a new bubble in his level


@Wayne: I've only just read this thread and want to commend you on your determination, skill and wonderful workmanship.

It is annoying that my pictures have gone. If I can and find time I will add them again. If I can find them also.

Oh and for those wondering I am determined to get it afloat this year. Hoping for a few months time actually.

 

[waynes world]

Hey look at this, i may be able to get something done on Faffer

I ordered 6kg of liquid gold and a couple tubs of filler and bits so as i have hope to have a day or two to myself this weekend I intend to get on with the hull work and filling and fairing it all.

Just hope i have enough epoxy to gte it all done.

So plan is to get this done before i start the canopy properly as once this is done i will do the painting then canopy and maybe launch her.

No stop it now Wayne.

Lets see how it goes

Watch this space

 

[sogood]

Looking forward to your big splash. Almost as much as my own! But circumstances keep conspiring against me. At least the weather has finally turned. Long may it continue.

 

[Elessar]

Hey look at this, i may be able to get something done on Faffer

I ordered 6kg of liquid gold and a couple tubs of filler and bits so as i have hope to have a day or two to myself this weekend I intend to get on with the hull work and filling and fairing it all.

Just hope i have enough epoxy to gte it all done.

So plan is to get this done before i start the canopy properly as once this is done i will do the painting then canopy and maybe launch her.

No stop it now Wayne.

Lets see how it goes

Watch this space

Hey Wayne you probably know this but just in case.......

The pumps are different sizes so 1 stroke of each gives you the right mix ratio - check the instructions. Mix ration quite critical with west, you can't guess it. And don't mix too much and when you have don't leave it in the pot - it heats up and goes off fast if you do.

 

[waynes world]

Looking forward to your big splash. Almost as much as my own! But circumstances keep conspiring against me. At least the weather has finally turned. Long may it continue.

Circumstances, just get in the way, already in a day i have lost half a day as need to work now, well price another job up this weekend. Good and bad but hey ho.

I WILL get some done,up early tomorrow and get cracking.

Oh yes that is if the electricity board fix the power. Our neighbour had a fire last night in the elecy box/consumer unit and as our feed is from there side it blew our feed and but not there`s and now we are running of a genny. Hey and a Honda GU2.0, not very quiet at all. So if its not fixed there will be nothing done.

Hey Wayne you probably know this but just in case.......

The pumps are different sizes so 1 stroke of each gives you the right mix ratio - check the instructions. Mix ration quite critical with west, you can't guess it. And don't mix too much and when you have don't leave it in the pot - it heats up and goes off fast if you do.

Yes all in hand. Reason i got the syringes, need it spot on, a lot different from poly resin. And i doubt i will mix more than i need, not at the cost. Cant be wasting it.

 

[waynes world]

Its been a cracking weekend for weather so I managed to get some repair work done on the hull. I was meant to be working today but that didnt go to plan so i worked on the boat a bit more. done along with the hatch surround.





I didnt get as much done as i wanted though as my elbows havnt been keeping up on the sanding upside down. I just paced myself and got some done. This is fraction of what neeeds to be done.



There are so many tiny cracks that need grinding back and filling with the epoxy, bit by bit it will get done.





This is the set up i used. As before i got the West Coast Epoxy and filler, for mixing pots i went to the bargain shop in town and got a dozen small plastic pots with lids, the lids canbe used for mixing in as well for smaller quantities. £1 for four tubs and some wooden skewers from Tesco for the mixing sticks, these have little paddles on the end to help the mixing and then application of the filler. I did start with doweling to mix but ran out of them.

Mixed to a good filling consistency, as said on the tub peanut butter. This is perfect for all applications of filling as it sticks like......

Then slap it on once the patches have been ground back and then been primed with straight epoxy.





Tool of choice for grinding back.

Then filled

Bow needed a fettle and yet still need to do the hole,i will be using epoxy for this, just out of matting for it.

So as said slowly but getting there with it, i was getting tired of this so i went onto the hatch surround. Again using Iroko and did this up to now,



Using epoxy as i have it to hand, tinfoil so it doesnt stick to the hatch aperture.

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It will be sanded back and trimmed to shape once done then treated to many coats of Le Tonk.





It doesnt look much done but i have done a fair bit actually. Just a lot to do on the filling before i can pint it. Still undecided on colour and still on blue hull white top, just the blue will show up a more undesirables. It will still be having two lower strakes 3/4 way down the sides though.

 

[sogood]

Good going Wayne. All that mixing and filling and rubbing is the sort of thing that takes up so much time but is worth doing right. If it's done badly, you'll be looking at it forever, regretting the shortcuts. Keep up the good work. PS. Is the van in the background some sort of "Star Wars" hover craft? It seems to have no wheels......................

 

[waynes world]

Good going Wayne. All that mixing and filling and rubbing is the sort of thing that takes up so much time but is worth doing right. If it's done badly, you'll be looking at it forever, regretting the shortcuts. Keep up the good work. PS. Is the van in the background some sort of "Star Wars" hover craft? It seems to have no wheels......................

By eck I am stiff this morning, hardly slept again, never do Mondays, well first day back at work after a day or so off. Didnt even get four hours sleep again.

Yes time consuming but important, very important to keep it afloat lol.

Luvin it though

That is my Berlingo in the back ground, one of the axle bearing collapsed when I was down south so I removed it and will be fitting a new one asap.

Ok coffee number two is needed and off to work

Have a good day fella

 

[sogood]

Hey Wayne, how's tricks? Haven't heard from you in ages and I for one miss your updates. Hope all is going well with you, your work and of course, the boat! I finally got mine in the water, not without some teething troubles on the sea trial, but that's all well in hand now. Do let us know that you're still with us and take care.