Buckingham 20 restoration, formerly Plant Pot

[waynes world]

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It's a hydraulic ram that connects to the back of the outboard in the outboard well. It does cost more than a teleflex cable and in the cables favor it works better the smaller the outboard, and if you oil it up every time you leave the boat for an extended time. And you can get an automatic oiler system for a cable

Just had a quick look at the hyd steering kits. A little expensive for me at the minute, maybe later.

Will put up with the Telefex i have for now and keep it well oiled up

 

[Bouba]

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Just had a quick look at the hyd steering kits. A little expensive for me at the minute, maybe later.

Will put up with the Telefex i have for now and keep it well oiled up

Wayne, I'm sure you will maintain her with the same dedication that you're building her with:encouragement:

 

[Otter]

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Just had a quick look at the hyd steering kits. A little expensive for me at the minute, maybe later.

Will put up with the Telefex i have for now and keep it well oiled up

I had a 27 footer with telefex and liked it, never gave any problems. You're only turning an outboard.

 

[waynes world]

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I had a 27 footer with telefex and liked it, never gave any problems. You're only turning an outboard.

Ye it be reat never had problems in the past with Morse.



So....after a scorching weekend and not getting much done as the blast hood I needed did not arrive and temps to high to paint I only managed to get the bulkhead painted. I had to wait for the temps to drop a little so first coat was about 8pm and the next 7am next day. I am using Jotun Pioner TC, i love this paint as it does not need need prep for additional cots, just a wash down, no keying in needed.

I didnt manage to get in the nooks and crannies as I dont have a brush, it was all rolled on.

Nothing will be left on top now, cant be getting it dirty or scratched hey

Anchor locker now with a 12mm drain hole drilled to the left.

Below rear deck/bilge area. I need to fit the battery tray and water pump for the system drain and shower again. welll I am going to make a tray for the pump, I was going to use Plywood but Ally will be better.

I am undecided on what to do with the rear deck, either a paint it and fit a 3mm anti slip rubber mat on top, just dont want to block the deck drains to much.. Or Anti slip paint it.





Next job besides blasting and finishing the pain is to finish the gas works and last bit of plumbing for the water heater. Then i can try it out


Feels good now

 

[Bigplumbs]

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Lovely work Wayne as always

 

[waynes world]

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Lovely work Wayne as always

Thanks getting the deck done and looking good has made this next part a bit easier to cope with.

I got on with the sandblasting the below water line area this weekend.

I knew it would be bad and in need of a fair bit of work so not a big surprise but heck it cant be any worse now.

I wrapped the hull in tarp to keep the media in from going all over the neighborhood, kitted out with overalls/mask/goggles etc etc i set to. I did break he blast pot as whilst pulling the tanks outside i caught the lower valve and snapped it and as it is a twin tank set up i spent an hour trying to fix that but the 3/8BSP T fitting i snapped was not budging so in the end i capped off the tank and used one.

Anyway from the boring bits straight to the results, i only managed to get half the boat done as i ran out of media and i have no sieve to reuse the media again yet. So just swept it up and bagged it for next time.

Delamination areas

What looks like osmosis, there is a few large areas like this.

Cavitys and plenty of old patchs that need redoing better.

This is about 12 inch long

The thought here is best to sheath it over up with woven and poly resin to either the top chine or above water line and blend in below the lower strake when i fit it.

I am glad i blasted it as once the blast pot was set up correct the blasting showed up all the cavities and area that are thin. Still will go over with a toffee hammer to see if i can fined more.

Big job ahead, and the biggest yet i would say.

 

[Bigplumbs]

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Crikey that would scare me but you no doubt know what to do.

Dennis

 

[Keith-i]

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Was that with grit or soda?

 

[waynes world]

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Crikey that would scare me but you no doubt know what to do.

Dennis

Just a little but hey ho, it needs to be done

Was that with grit or soda?

It was done with grit, i know soda is generally used with GRP but after talking to an experienced guy that has been at the job for over 30 years he convinced me to try Grit, so i had a go on an old sample then an area on the boat which i knew was bad then a a good area and all was good.

 

[Elessar]

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Thanks getting the deck done and looking good has made this next part a bit easier to cope with.

I got on with the sandblasting the below water line area this weekend.

I knew it would be bad and in need of a fair bit of work so not a big surprise but heck it cant be any worse now.

I wrapped the hull in tarp to keep the media in from going all over the neighborhood, kitted out with overalls/mask/goggles etc etc i set to. I did break he blast pot as whilst pulling the tanks outside i caught the lower valve and snapped it and as it is a twin tank set up i spent an hour trying to fix that but the 3/8BSP T fitting i snapped was not budging so in the end i capped off the tank and used one.

Anyway from the boring bits straight to the results, i only managed to get half the boat done as i ran out of media and i have no sieve to reuse the media again yet. So just swept it up and bagged it for next time.

Delamination areas

What looks like osmosis, there is a few large areas like this.

Cavitys and plenty of old patchs that need redoing better.

This is about 12 inch long

The thought here is best to sheath it over up with woven and poly resin to either the top chine or above water line and blend in below the lower strake when i fit it.

I am glad i blasted it as once the blast pot was set up correct the blasting showed up all the cavities and area that are thin. Still will go over with a toffee hammer to see if i can fined more.

Big job ahead, and the biggest yet i would say.

Most of it looks ok - no need to sheath the lot from what I can see. All the bits where you have pinholed gelcoat is just fine. Not your biggest job yet.

Epoxy fill the pin holes.

Grind out and repair properly the dodgy filled bits, grind out a shallow bowl bigger than the hole/dodgy repair then grp with increasingly large circles/ovals so you have a good repair overlap. Fair with epoxy filler.

Sand the lot well with 100 grit then epoxy the lot below the water line. 3 coats of solvent free epoxy overcoated within 24 hours - no need to sand. Get 2 different colours so you can see where you've been. NB the overcoating time is important so they chemically bond. If you leave it longer because the weather turns or something you have to thoroughly sand the lot.

Finally a coat of solvented epoxy within 24hours (that way you wont have to sand it before you put on your antifoul as it dries matt)

The epoxy will be pricey, but it will make a permanent repair. More waterproof than the original gelcoat.

 

[waynes world]

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Most of it looks ok - no need to sheath the lot from what I can see. All the bits where you have pinholed gelcoat is just fine. Not your biggest job yet.

Epoxy fill the pin holes.

Grind out and repair properly the dodgy filled bits, grind out a shallow bowl bigger than the hole/dodgy repair then grp with increasingly large circles/ovals so you have a good repair overlap. Fair with epoxy filler.

Sand the lot well with 100 grit then epoxy the lot below the water line. 3 coats of solvent free epoxy overcoated within 24 hours - no need to sand. Get 2 different colours so you can see where you've been. NB the overcoating time is important so they chemically bond. If you leave it longer because the weather turns or something you have to thoroughly sand the lot.

Finally a coat of solvented epoxy within 24hours (that way you wont have to sand it before you put on your antifoul as it dries matt)

The epoxy will be pricey, but it will make a permanent repair. More waterproof than the original gelcoat.

That what roughly what I was/am going to do.

This a a small area of what I have cleaned back, in fact much the same as when it was stripped back with stripper. Just a bit cleaner.

The blue areas have not been touched yet but for stripper. And there is a lot of delamination than can be seen.

I hope to finish off blasting this weekend so I will give a better write up and mark out the bad areas. The from the middle backwards does not look as bad, darn it i have said it know.

I am thinking about making a jig to sit the boat in to turn it 90 degrees to make the working on easier and better.

Maybe just an excuse to build something else. And it will come in for the next job. But that is between you and me, so dont tell T

I am only looking into it and have designed a roll over jig for it already just incase.

Above all i am looking forward to it now and have a new DA for the compressor coming tomorrow

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Air-Palm-...732744?hash=item2376028808:g:h3IAAOSwMVdYGlkl


Another gadget to the collection

Want a Plasma cutter again next, awsome bits of kit. Not much use for a GRP boat though lol.
.

 

[smitch6]

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Just have to say i googled Buckingham 20 boats and this came up on the search and i was hooked.
after 3 hours of reading through the posts i felt i had to join just to say
'wow' what a brilliant restoration of a boat.
I have done 2 resto's so far and am now looking for a 3rd
you have done an amazing job so far and i look forward to seeing the pictures and reading your posts.
keep your chin up, you're getting there and doing an amazing job
well done it looks great

 

[waynes world]

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Just have to say i googled Buckingham 20 boats and this came up on the search and i was hooked.
after 3 hours of reading through the posts i felt i had to join just to say
'wow' what a brilliant restoration of a boat.
I have done 2 resto's so far and am now looking for a 3rd
you have done an amazing job so far and i look forward to seeing the pictures and reading your posts.
keep your chin up, you're getting there and doing an amazing job
well done it looks great

Fancy that i just googled the same and my boat pops up at the top four of the list. Hey its near famous on google search lol.

Well after spending reading this blog for 3hrs you must be keen on these things.

What restorations have you done ?

As mad as it sounds one of the many thing that are keeping me going is thinking of the times i will get cruising around looking for my next big project in all the boats yards dotted around Yorkshire, and big i mean as in size not work needed........well we will see

My chin is held hi still, much more then when i brought the Buckingham home and my wife`s chin hit the floor when she actually seen it at home lol

Glad you enjoyed the read

 

[smitch6]

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The 1st resto i did was a Birchwood 33
we bought it for 8k as a fibreglass shell with windows and twin engines that didn't work
we lived on it for 4 years and spent near enough the whole time doing her up and then sold her lol

my 2nd is my current boat which is a 17' Vanguard Thurnderjet
i have a resto post about her on another forum local to me
i bought that for £200 as a really rough shell with windows but it was on a trailer
it cost me roughly 2-5/3k and is now near enough finished, if ever a boat is ever finished

and we are using her constantly on the norfolk broads going out for weekends etc
only trouble is the living space isn't very big so i now want a slightly bigger one around the 20' mark

maybe if allowed i can post a link to the other forum to show the resto not sure
but if i get a new one i will post a thread about it

 

[Bouba]

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They say everybody has a doppelgänger

 

[waynes world]

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Now that would be interesting to see a Birchwood resto.

I almost bought a Nelson 34 shell and that was down your way I think. Sold real cheap as well for just over £700, it was/is rough though, similar to what i started with here with the Buckingham.

If your not allowed to post the link here can you PM it to me please. If you can send a PM being a newbie on here.


I am hoping my next will be a live aboard size 40` plus , all depends what is about and funds when we get to it.

 

[waynes world]

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They say everybody has a doppelgänger

LOL kida

Feels good not to be the only keen........eerrrr........

 

[smitch6]

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i haven't actually got a thread about the birchwood sorry only the vanguard which is
http://forum.norfolkbroadsnetwork.com/topic/7082-vanguard-thunderjet-resto/
hopefully it's ok to post this link here if not i apologise and pls remove it.
my birchwood resto was nothing compare to what you are doing, it was mainly internal
with the outside just rubbed down and painted.
the main wheelhouse roof was rough fibreglass so i did fill that with filler and sand it smooth
killed 3 sanders doing it but it looked good once finished.
i also made some rear rails and made some canvas and as i also do a bit of vinyl signs i made put the boat name on the canvas.
i'll dig some pictures up tomorrow

 

[waynes world]

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As always my plans dont go so i got on with what was needed to be done.

I wanted to finish the blasting of the hull but as i had no sieve/filter for the media to reuse then that was not done, no big deal as there is plenty of time yet.

So jobs done


When i was wondering around the boat debating what to do next i noticed a few crazed areas so that was first to be done, and a good chance to try ut the new DA i got for the compressor/s. I only wish i get one sooner, what a great bit of kit. There wasnt a great deal to do but still i wanted them done as they show up a lot on white.


Then finished all the gas works and plumbing, i say finished i need a tail connector the connect the cooker to the pipe and a cylinder and reg with hose to try it all out.

To make things safer and easier for the BSS i made the pipe work from the splitter to the appliances in one run so then there will be less chance of leaks and beside that you can not have joints in the same area as the electrics. and the pipe for the water and cab heater run in the same bilge area as the batteries.

Ok my pics on postimage hosting dont seen to want to work so that will have to come later.

Still all is done there and along with the rest of the connection for the water to the water heater, this means i can now get on with the internal Sapele cladding of the cupboard and seating base.

Just to think soon i can line it all out with the material of choice which i have decided on foam backed Suede as in this type a a quick look.

I will be shopping around again as i found some at a better price but as always you get what you pay for.

https://www.iwantfabric.com/3mm-scr...rim-headlining-vehicle-upholstery-fabric.html


I got on with a bit more exterior work for the last hour or so.

What is needed is an engine well cover to be made so back at it again and designing and making one from foam board and GRP.

Not quite got it done as a bit tired and glue was setting so had a quick clean up Just needs a cutting back here and there and then laminating.

I will be hinged to the side and used when closed as a table.


I will crack on with it during the week as next weekend if it is dry i will finish the blasting off and see whats what on the hull.

Bring on next year i say

 

[clyst]

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Hi Wayne ...looking at your engine well and transome cutout .....Dunno what size engine you propose to fit but are you sure it's wide enough to permit turning the engine from lock to lock without the engine casing fouling the sides of the cutout ? Keep up the good work .
Cheers Terry