Simonpk
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Re: The plant pot
Same here ??
Same here ??
Buckingham 20 restoration, formerly Plant Pot
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vas
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Re: The plant pot
pics on this post, wont show for me, everything else on the last 5-6pages are fine.
cheers
V.
pics on this post, wont show for me, everything else on the last 5-6pages are fine.
cheers
V.
Hi Vas, I am sure i posted to your Q`s not long after you posted but they are not here now. Knowing me I posted in the wrong thread.
Anyway to answer
The two black boxes are fresh water tanks which are now as of this weekend linked together by a balance pipe.
As you say I have fitted them in that position to keep the weight low down and forward also I like symmetry
I still have to draw up a sketch of the fit out. In the storage cupboard will be the Propex HS2000E at the bottom below the Morco F-11EL. I like to keep all gas lines the as short as possible.
The Galley will be opposite the Heads to counter balance, The berths will be in the bow as the usual V berth. I am still deciding on making a bunk to go down the port side in case the grand kids decide to come.
I will see if i can manage a sketch on the laptop
Next update
This weekend i have done a bit of plumbing and lined out the Heads but for the water tank side. The floor will be laminated over for the wet room and drained by a pump under the read deck. This pump will also drain the water system as when needed in winter etc
The water pump is now under the cabin step where the batteries were intended to go. Now the two batteries will be going the other side of the lower bulkhead under the deck.
Here you can see the top horizontal pipe is the balance pipe joining the two tanks. This is to help filling the tanks from one deck filler.
The cabin step covers it just nicely.
Here is the feed to the heads sink and Morco boiler which I will be T`ing off to. The elbow fitting on the right will be replaced with a T fitting later. so i can go through the heads wall and up to the boiler.
All open ends in the pipe work have been blocked off with tissue for now so no dust or dirt gets in the system.
Spot the difference.
I forgot to add the drain for the water system. Easy done as I have yet to finish it all off yet. All joints will be tightened and tested before anything else goes ahead. Well but for the pie work to the galley sink.
I hope to get on with a little more lining out done so I can get the galley framed out this week. Once that is done i can move back over the cupboard and then the berths.
waynes world
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Hi Vas, I notice these pics are from Dropbox. Not many folk can see them so I have edited them to Imagepost here so they should show.
Trouble is if there are more pics that do not use postimage then I will need to re`post all the post`s and use Postimage as I cant edit them. on the page.
I dont think there are more but I will go check.
Now update on the Wee One
Nothing has been done......short and sweet there then
Reason being today me and T popped down to Corby to mates as he had an outboard fo the boat and a roll of combo matt which will go towards the next thing I collected from Grays i London. In all we did a 500 mile trip and a great day out, well nice to see a fellow boater lover and the drive was good as the weather has been great.
Oh yes the new `thing` is a ten foot Dinghy Mould
Looking forward to making one or two, when time allows.
Hi Vas, I notice these pics are from Dropbox. Not many folk can see them so I have edited them to Imagepost here so they should show.
Trouble is if there are more pics that do not use postimage then I will need to re`post all the post`s and use Postimage as I cant edit them. on the page.
I dont think there are more but I will go check.
Hi Vas, I am sure i posted to your Q`s not long after you posted but they are not here now. Knowing me I posted in the wrong thread.
Anyway to answer
The two black boxes are fresh water tanks which are now as of this weekend linked together by a balance pipe.
As you say I have fitted them in that position to keep the weight low down and forward also I like symmetry
I still have to draw up a sketch of the fit out. In the storage cupboard will be the Propex HS2000E at the bottom below the Morco F-11EL. I like to keep all gas lines the as short as possible.
The Galley will be opposite the Heads to counter balance, The berths will be in the bow as the usual V berth. I am still deciding on making a bunk to go down the port side in case the grand kids decide to come.
I will see if i can manage a sketch on the laptop
Next update
This weekend i have done a bit of plumbing and lined out the Heads but for the water tank side. The floor will be laminated over for the wet room and drained by a pump under the read deck. This pump will also drain the water system as when needed in winter etc
The water pump is now under the cabin step where the batteries were intended to go. Now the two batteries will be going the other side of the lower bulkhead under the deck.
Here you can see the top horizontal pipe is the balance pipe joining the two tanks. This is to help filling the tanks from one deck filler.
The cabin step covers it just nicely.
Here is the feed to the heads sink and Morco boiler which I will be T`ing off to. The elbow fitting on the right will be replaced with a T fitting later. so i can go through the heads wall and up to the boiler.
All open ends in the pipe work have been blocked off with tissue for now so no dust or dirt gets in the system.
Spot the difference.
I forgot to add the drain for the water system. Easy done as I have yet to finish it all off yet. All joints will be tightened and tested before anything else goes ahead. Well but for the pie work to the galley sink.
I hope to get on with a little more lining out done so I can get the galley framed out this week. Once that is done i can move back over the cupboard and then the berths.
Now update on the Wee One
Nothing has been done......short and sweet there then
Reason being today me and T popped down to Corby to mates as he had an outboard fo the boat and a roll of combo matt which will go towards the next thing I collected from Grays i London. In all we did a 500 mile trip and a great day out, well nice to see a fellow boater lover and the drive was good as the weather has been great.
Oh yes the new `thing` is a ten foot Dinghy Mould
Looking forward to making one or two, when time allows.
waynes world
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Nothing has yet been done on the cruiser but I will be later as yesterday we popped down to a mates as he has donated an engine and parts now to the build. ( cant be greatull enough ) That was along with a bloody great roll of Combo matt for another project we picked up. Good job we have an estate LOL.
The other project is a dinghy mould which we collected from Grays, it is around 10x4, not measured it yet. It is not to bad a mould. He said it was perfect ready to use but I guess my perfect is different from other folks.
It has a little crazing in one area about 8inch diameter. And old repairs do have a little roughness about quarter inch by half inch long in two areas. Easy fettle though.
Over all I am happy with it. I need to clean out the pound area of all car rubbish/parts and garage panels before I can put it in there. for now its at my friends over the road.
The chap I got it off is a Marine Surveyor and he said that he has made over 20 dinghy`s from it and found that two 650g is plenty. keeps the weight down to less than 20kg and still strong. I was surprised as I would of gone with at least three 650grm with more on the keel and stress areas.
I may well add a buoyancy tank in the center in the built in seat which I will making a mould for.
I am off now to pinch a wheelie bin so i can sort the engine out
Nothing has yet been done on the cruiser but I will be later as yesterday we popped down to a mates as he has donated an engine and parts now to the build. ( cant be greatull enough
) That was along with a bloody great roll of Combo matt for another project we picked up. Good job we have an estate LOL.The other project is a dinghy mould which we collected from Grays, it is around 10x4, not measured it yet. It is not to bad a mould. He said it was perfect ready to use but I guess my perfect is different from other folks.
It has a little crazing in one area about 8inch diameter. And old repairs do have a little roughness about quarter inch by half inch long in two areas. Easy fettle though.
Over all I am happy with it. I need to clean out the pound area of all car rubbish/parts and garage panels before I can put it in there. for now its at my friends over the road.
The chap I got it off is a Marine Surveyor and he said that he has made over 20 dinghy`s from it and found that two 650g is plenty. keeps the weight down to less than 20kg and still strong. I was surprised as I would of gone with at least three 650grm with more on the keel and stress areas.
I may well add a buoyancy tank in the center in the built in seat which I will making a mould for.
I am off now to pinch a wheelie bin so i can sort the engine out
jfm
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Wayne I'm a bit worried about the plumbing. sorry if I'm misunderstanding but the bottom horizontal pipe, that the pump is tee'd off, should function as the balance pipe. You don't want a balance pipe at the top of the tanks because it wont work till one tank is full and it will have too little head so will be slower than your hose pipe.
If you just put an isolator valve either side of the Tee that goes to the pump, you can select to draw from either tank or you can leave both valves open to get a balance pipe effect.
Separate point: you don't want a straight pipe joining two tanks. It needs a flexi section or an S bend. As the boat hull flexes in waves or over road bumps when on trailer, a straight pipe will be pulled and pushed 2mm along its length and the joints will fail.
Dinghy mould looks nice. I agree about 3 x 650gram, and some reinforcing here and there
Wayne I'm a bit worried about the plumbing. sorry if I'm misunderstanding but the bottom horizontal pipe, that the pump is tee'd off, should function as the balance pipe. You don't want a balance pipe at the top of the tanks because it wont work till one tank is full and it will have too little head so will be slower than your hose pipe.
If you just put an isolator valve either side of the Tee that goes to the pump, you can select to draw from either tank or you can leave both valves open to get a balance pipe effect.
Separate point: you don't want a straight pipe joining two tanks. It needs a flexi section or an S bend. As the boat hull flexes in waves or over road bumps when on trailer, a straight pipe will be pulled and pushed 2mm along its length and the joints will fail.
Dinghy mould looks nice. I agree about 3 x 650gram, and some reinforcing here and there
waynes world
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Glad of feed back as nobody has mentioned a thing about it yet. I have yet to finish it off so thats a good thing.
Working backwards on your thoughts.
Dinghy mould I agree
I agree on the flexi joint in the joining pipe work. I have been thinking on if it will be ok and as nobody had mentioned anything i thought it is ok.
They are pinned down tight in place but as you say when being towed about they may well move a little. Easy fettle and thanks for noticing that
Only reason I have not gone with isolation taps is that as it is a small boat and two 75l tanks I would want them to have the water levels the same for balance.
The balance pipe.
MMmmmm I used to keep fish and have many a tank joined in the same method as this in the setup. It worked fine even when filling from a hose Saying that though the were open top tanks and not sealed.
I have done this naff sketch to show my thoughts on how it will work.
Water in the top left tank then as it fills the water goes through the lower joining pipe to fill the right tank as air goes through the top pipe.
Thanks for the input
Glad of feed back as nobody has mentioned a thing about it yet. I have yet to finish it off so thats a good thing.
Working backwards on your thoughts.
Dinghy mould I agree
I agree on the flexi joint in the joining pipe work. I have been thinking on if it will be ok and as nobody had mentioned anything i thought it is ok.
They are pinned down tight in place but as you say when being towed about they may well move a little. Easy fettle and thanks for noticing that
Only reason I have not gone with isolation taps is that as it is a small boat and two 75l tanks I would want them to have the water levels the same for balance.
The balance pipe.
MMmmmm I used to keep fish and have many a tank joined in the same method as this in the setup. It worked fine even when filling from a hose Saying that though the were open top tanks and not sealed.
I have done this naff sketch to show my thoughts on how it will work.
Water in the top left tank then as it fills the water goes through the lower joining pipe to fill the right tank as air goes through the top pipe.
Thanks for the input
waynes world
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This was the first idea of having a vertical vent pipe but I dont think it will need it.
I think I know what you mean about the tanks not filling the same speed.
edit to add maybe the joining pipes would be better in 22mm instead of 15mm.
This was the first idea of having a vertical vent pipe but I dont think it will need it.
I think I know what you mean about the tanks not filling the same speed.
edit to add maybe the joining pipes would be better in 22mm instead of 15mm.
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Bouba
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What is the point of two tanks? If it's balance then just balance one big tank with the fuel and grey/black tank and fine tune with the flaps while underway. The reason I say is because I've just had a mini disaster with the plumbing on my boat so my new theory is keep all these systems simple.
What is the point of two tanks? If it's balance then just balance one big tank with the fuel and grey/black tank and fine tune with the flaps while underway. The reason I say is because I've just had a mini disaster with the plumbing on my boat so my new theory is keep all these systems simple.
waynes world
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Hi Bouba
The point of two tanks is for more water. Better to have it than not .
There is no where for one big tank to go and I wanted more FW capacity for less fill ups, This is the only place as far forward as I could get . There is no grey tank and flaps.....there is none.
What was your disaster?
I have made all the plumbing sit against the bulkhead in thought of if there is a leak it will run down straight into the bilge.
Hi Bouba
The point of two tanks is for more water. Better to have it than not .
There is no where for one big tank to go and I wanted more FW capacity for less fill ups, This is the only place as far forward as I could get . There is no grey tank and flaps.....there is none.
What was your disaster?
I have made all the plumbing sit against the bulkhead in thought of if there is a leak it will run down straight into the bilge.
Bouba
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Your build is coming on great, keep up the good work, the water beckons:encouragement:
A pipe, connected to the hot water tank, separated causing 300 liters to spill into the bilge. In itself not a problem, however we were away from the boat for three weeks. The water pump sensor must have had enough water to keep the pump on even though there wasn't enough water for the pump to pump. So the pump was running 24/7 for up to three weeks dry. Now the pump still works (a testament to the pump makers) but my argument is that the pump must be at the end of its service life and if Benneteau don't replace it now then I'll end up replacing it as soon as the guarantee runs out. Now the pump is not a major ticket item and I think access is good so it's a relatively inexpensive fix that I could swallow. The problem is the hot water tank, does it still work? Was it running constantly without water? Does it switch itself off? All unknowns. What I am sure of is that the hot water tank is a big expensive job. The Benneteau man is expected tomorrow so I might find out soon if I'm covered.
Your build is coming on great, keep up the good work, the water beckons:encouragement:
waynes world
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Ah that kind of disaster.
I will have three bilge pumps even on this small tub. cant be to careful now.
Good luck with the repair and seeing if anything else needs fixing. Hope its not much worse than you expect.
`The water beckons` i hope you mean around the outside of the hull and not inside lol
Ah that kind of disaster.
I will have three bilge pumps even on this small tub. cant be to careful now.
Good luck with the repair and seeing if anything else needs fixing. Hope its not much worse than you expect.
`The water beckons` i hope you mean around the outside of the hull and not inside lol
jfm
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More generally, nice work! It will be a very cosy boat with all that insulation! Hope all is well with the engine
OK, now I understand: you've got the bottom pipe as the balance pipe for the water, and the top pipe is to vent air with 2 tanks sharing a single vent. This is unconventional but it works. I don't think 15mm for the bottom balance pipe will provide as much flow as the hosepipe filling the left hand tank, so getting the second tank to fill will be a bit annoyingly slow, but I'm guessing there (I have two tanks with 38mm balance pipe at the bottom!)
More generally, nice work! It will be a very cosy boat with all that insulation! Hope all is well with the engine
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waynes world
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I am an unconventional chap
A normal person would not of even taken the boat on
I will be testing the water system out soon so i will soon see if it works ok. Early stages so things can be altered if need be.
I certainly hope it will be cosy, we will be wanting to use it all year round. I still havnt touched the engine but it does run ok but for the smoke until it has warmed up. I am waiting for the starter motor to convert it.
It is a Yammy 9.9 4 stroke engine but it will be finefor the Lakes and Rivers/Canals.
I am an unconventional chap
A normal person would not of even taken the boat on
I will be testing the water system out soon so i will soon see if it works ok. Early stages so things can be altered if need be.
I certainly hope it will be cosy, we will be wanting to use it all year round. I still havnt touched the engine but it does run ok but for the smoke until it has warmed up. I am waiting for the starter motor to convert it.
It is a Yammy 9.9 4 stroke engine but it will be finefor the Lakes and Rivers/Canals.
TheOrs
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Tru Dat!
Still my favourite thread on here - Keep up the good work.
I am an unconventional chap
A normal person would not of even taken the boat on
Tru Dat!
Still my favourite thread on here - Keep up the good work.
Niffler
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Any updates on progress?
Any updates on progress?
waynes world
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Hi Niffler.
I am still at it whilst trying to find a very annoying leak in the cabin top near the hatch.
Lets see.
The Houdini hatch was a failure on resealing it and I know why, i am sure I didnt get enough sealant in, no big deal as now it is an excuse to make my own. I will be trying to reuse the hinges and catch`s and use 10 mm acrylic, maybe 6 mm will do. I will leave out the bars that the Houdini has though. was`not keen on them.
Now this little bit of seepage I have again around the hatch base.
You can see here where I marked the the hole wider when it was leaking in last time in this picture. I found where the water was getting in that time and it was about 3 foot up the top, well is say that as I found an area that as slightly damaged that I missed when I was sanding back. This as last year and all has been ok since.
It is now dripping in again about 10mm higher up
I did this about 3 few week ago to the hatch housing ( hatch has been removed as it knackered ) and it didnt stop so then i did the rear section and it stopped and i thought i had got it as it had stopped. Just a matter to topcoat the rear section or laminate over it.
I left it for a week or so but as always the weather does not play, this time it didnt rain much at all ( sods law ) an the drip stopped.
The, it started again so it can not be getting in i the that area.
I am going to seal of the rail mounts before I try this madcap idea I have.
As I till have a lot of hull work to do in the sanding department, god dam I hate sanding
this was bought.
I have serviced it as in new oil ( 10w40 left over from when i serviced T`s car )and repaired the filter box and stuffed it with an old car sponge. Rubs great so it will do for maybe spraying the boat
THE PLAN
1 Take some steel plate about 1.6 mm thick so i can bend to the same profile as the area of the leak in the hatch.
2 Drill and fit 1/4BSP air line Male fitting
2 Sikaflex the plate over the area and leave until fully set
3 Fit the compressor air line the male fitting on the plate and starting with a low pressure pump air into it. Increasing slowly after a few minutes to see if any bubbles show on the outside of the cabin.
Water should still be in the laminate but if nothing shows after a while I will run water over small areas to see if it work.
Nothing to loose and can not think of any other way but to apply a new gel coat. BIG job.
Ok after the madness of that idea I have near completed the plumbing.
Flex joints added between thanks and pump etc, fitted new pump as the other one was in need of to much spending on it. more than half the cost of a new one.
To help put a nice bend in the pipe i used a hot air gun to soften it and once in place hold in for a moment so it holds the curve you want and not kink.
You will see here i have added a vertical clear tube to see the tank levels.
Still a few bits to do as said the hot water pipe needs finishing and a cap/tap/breather for the water level pipe.
Any updates on progress?
Hi Niffler.
I am still at it whilst trying to find a very annoying leak in the cabin top near the hatch.
Lets see.
The Houdini hatch was a failure on resealing it and I know why, i am sure I didnt get enough sealant in, no big deal as now it is an excuse to make my own. I will be trying to reuse the hinges and catch`s and use 10 mm acrylic, maybe 6 mm will do. I will leave out the bars that the Houdini has though. was`not keen on them.
Now this little bit of seepage I have again around the hatch base.
You can see here where I marked the the hole wider when it was leaking in last time in this picture. I found where the water was getting in that time and it was about 3 foot up the top, well is say that as I found an area that as slightly damaged that I missed when I was sanding back. This as last year and all has been ok since.
It is now dripping in again about 10mm higher up
I did this about 3 few week ago to the hatch housing ( hatch has been removed as it knackered ) and it didnt stop so then i did the rear section and it stopped and i thought i had got it as it had stopped. Just a matter to topcoat the rear section or laminate over it.
I left it for a week or so but as always the weather does not play, this time it didnt rain much at all ( sods law ) an the drip stopped.
The, it started again so it can not be getting in i the that area.
I am going to seal of the rail mounts before I try this madcap idea I have.
As I till have a lot of hull work to do in the sanding department, god dam I hate sanding
this was bought.
I have serviced it as in new oil ( 10w40 left over from when i serviced T`s car )and repaired the filter box and stuffed it with an old car sponge. Rubs great so it will do for maybe spraying the boat
THE PLAN
1 Take some steel plate about 1.6 mm thick so i can bend to the same profile as the area of the leak in the hatch.
2 Drill and fit 1/4BSP air line Male fitting
2 Sikaflex the plate over the area and leave until fully set
3 Fit the compressor air line the male fitting on the plate and starting with a low pressure pump air into it. Increasing slowly after a few minutes to see if any bubbles show on the outside of the cabin.
Water should still be in the laminate but if nothing shows after a while I will run water over small areas to see if it work.
Nothing to loose and can not think of any other way but to apply a new gel coat. BIG job.
Ok after the madness of that idea I have near completed the plumbing.
Flex joints added between thanks and pump etc, fitted new pump as the other one was in need of to much spending on it. more than half the cost of a new one.
To help put a nice bend in the pipe i used a hot air gun to soften it and once in place hold in for a moment so it holds the curve you want and not kink.
You will see here i have added a vertical clear tube to see the tank levels.
Still a few bits to do as said the hot water pipe needs finishing and a cap/tap/breather for the water level pipe.
waynes world
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Ah forgot this bit
I wanted the frame the deck hatch but weather has been bad and not stopped raining to do so. therefore I fitted a pull/lift ring in the workshop in the dry
These are a bit high for floor fitting at 10mm so I fitted the flush.
Just a matter to mark out for the cut and drill for the mounting holes
Drill out for the corner radius
Then with a grinder and plasma disc cut the out sides as dont want to ruin the chisels and chisel out.
I made the depth a few mm deeper so then I can seal it with epoxy and then Sikaflex 219
I had some 316 screws but the heads were a little to big so after a grind down they fitted nice.
Once the epoxy had set I smootherd with Sikalfex 219 to bed the pull ring down and seal from water ingress.
The washers are 316 SS and to be a stand off.
So now I need a good day to fit the frame. And deck drains.
Thats about it really.
Ah forgot this bit
I wanted the frame the deck hatch but weather has been bad and not stopped raining to do so. therefore I fitted a pull/lift ring in the workshop in the dry
These are a bit high for floor fitting at 10mm so I fitted the flush.
Just a matter to mark out for the cut and drill for the mounting holes
Drill out for the corner radius
Then with a grinder and plasma disc cut the out sides as dont want to ruin the chisels and chisel out.
I made the depth a few mm deeper so then I can seal it with epoxy and then Sikaflex 219
I had some 316 screws but the heads were a little to big so after a grind down they fitted nice.
Once the epoxy had set I smootherd with Sikalfex 219 to bed the pull ring down and seal from water ingress.
The washers are 316 SS and to be a stand off.
So now I need a good day to fit the frame. And deck drains.
Thats about it really.
NormanB
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Nice job, but may I suggest that you consider putting in an isolating valve on the tee feeding the 'tank sight glass'.
The sight glass is a great way of establishing tank level but it also brings with it a risk of inadvertently emptying your tank.
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You will see here i have added a vertical clear tube to see the tank levels.
Still a few bits to do as said the hot water pipe needs finishing and a cap/tap/breather for the water level pipe.
Nice job, but may I suggest that you consider putting in an isolating valve on the tee feeding the 'tank sight glass'.
The sight glass is a great way of establishing tank level but it also brings with it a risk of inadvertently emptying your tank.
waynes world
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Hi Norman
That is another small job, to complete the plumbing, I thought I mentioned that......quick look back......nope I didnt
It will the same type as the one before the pump.
On tthe top of the site glass will be a valve that i turn to open the system to let the water level rise when I am filling the ranks. I was going to have the site glass higher than the deck filler neck as it will clad around. I like a tap/valve better though.
Hi Norman
That is another small job, to complete the plumbing, I thought I mentioned that......quick look back......nope I didnt
It will the same type as the one before the pump.
On tthe top of the site glass will be a valve that i turn to open the system to let the water level rise when I am filling the ranks. I was going to have the site glass higher than the deck filler neck as it will clad around. I like a tap/valve better though.
