Boating what has changed

[AngusMcDoon]

I think the folks who want to use the canals through the EU have the short straw in all of this as by definition this is a pleasant & slower thing to do (having read several accounts).

I guess the easiest would be a French shorter extended tourist visa allowing 6 months to get there and time in French Med waters, clear out of French waters to another EU country to start the 90 days Schengen allowance, dump the boat over winter in EU but not France, then a standard 90 day Schengen visa the following year to get back, all within 18 months TI limit. Hopefully this plan will void unexpected tax demands. Also avoids the need for health insurance as well, which is pretty expensive for an extended trip. Might be able to wangle longer than 18 months TI allowance if the boat can be certified as out of commission over winter, which I believe some countries allow.

 

[Forty_Two]

I guess the easiest would be a French shorter extended tourist visa allowing 6 months to get there and time in French Med waters, clear out of French waters to another EU country to start the 90 days Schengen allowance, dump the boat over winter in EU but not France, then a standard 90 day Schengen visa the following year to get back, all within 18 months TI limit. Hopefully this plan will void unexpected tax demands. Also avoids the need for health insurance as well, which is pretty expensive for an extended trip. Might be able to wangle longer than 18 months TI allowance if the boat can be certified as out of commission over winter, which I believe some countries allow.

Sounds like the beginning of an excellent scheme?

A winter research project ro make a break from electronics?

I'll go back to my winter project, moving from Windows 7 to Manjaro Linux

 

[AngusMcDoon]

Sounds like the beginning of an excellent scheme?

If that plan is feasible it's not as grim as the initial 90/180 Schengen limit sounds, even if the days of bimbling around the Med for years are gone,

Rumour on the grapevine is that other southern EU holiday countries will start implementing long stay tourist visas for Brits like the French one, as they don't want to miss out on tourist £'s.

I've also got a vain hope that the UK guvmint will eventually take up the EU's offer of 180/360. Or the EU make a special exemption for boaters

 

[AngusMcDoon]

Edit: to make it worse re-importation back to the UK could invoke a further UK VAT payment if EU VAT was paid ? Perhaps there will be a prize for the most times is paid on the same boat?

I wonder how the HMRC would know that EU VAT had been paid. I expect that in reality on arriving back at the UK you'd show that the boat had been out of the country for less than 3 years, show your UK VAT invoice, and the matter would end there. That's assuming anyone in a uniform could be bothered to visit you in person anyway.

 

[TiggerToo]

I've also got a vain hope that the UK guvmint will eventually take up the EU's offer of 180/360. Or the EU make a special exemption for boaters

while you are in vain hopes mode, why not hope that we will join the SM/CU or whatever....?

 

[Forty_Two]

Or the EU make a special exemption for boaters

Or 2nd home owners, there is a rumour Brittany would like 180/360

 

[Poignard]

while you are in vain hopes mode, why not hope that we will join the SM/CU or whatever....?

That will do; to be going on with.

 

[AngusMcDoon]

Or 2nd home owners, there is a rumour Brittany would like 180/360

And, not Or

 

[Frogmogman]

Or 2nd home owners, there is a rumour Brittany would like 180/360

So would most of us. After all, it wasn’t Europe who asked for any of this.

As Angus McDoon already correctly pointed out in #28, HMG was offered this reciprocity by the EU, but Lord Frost and Co rejected it.

Not in this case. Our guvmint rejected the EU's offer of reciprocity, instead choosing the standard 90/180 Schengen allowance. Hopefully this will be renegotiated in the future……..

 

[Koeketiene]

Or 2nd home owners, there is a rumour Brittany would like 180/360

A rumour?
I fear rather some wishful thinking on your part.

Right now, theres's a substantial movement AGAINST second home ownership in Brittany.
Locals are being forced out of the housingmarket because of 'rich' people buying property.
The housing market in Brittany has also been overheating since the start of the pandemic. Finistere has seen a 15-20% increase in the last 12 months.
Also a factor: As people are increasingly working from home they have come to realise that they no longer need to live in a cramped appartment in one of the big cities. So they decide to move to the countryside.

Bretagne : "Le droit au logement doit primer sur la résidence secondaire ou la location touristique"

 

[Frogmogman]

Right now, theres's a substantial movement AGAINST second home ownership in Brittany.
Locals are being forced out of the housingmarket because of 'rich' people buying property.
The housing market in Brittany has also been overheating since the start of the pandemic. Finistere has seen a 15-20% increase in the last 12 months.

That is certainly true; much the same problems in the property market in Brittany as there are on Cornwall, with young local people well and truly priced out of the market.

 

[steve yates]

There are two long term visitor visas for France. One is for 3 - 6 months & is fairly easy, for instance the GHIC will cover the medical requirements. Time spent under the visa does NOT count towards your 90/180 & you can joIn the two together as required.

The second one for 7-12 months is normally for folks moving to France, you have to register with the Marie & the GHIC won't be accepted, full medical insurance is required.

In ALL cases if you spend over 6 months in a Jan - Dec period you are a defacto resident with all that implies, for instance completeing a French tax return.

Both long stay visas are multiple entry & can only be applied for in the UK with at least one visit to the administering agency.

And just to be quite clear there is no method to "reset" the 90 in a rolling 180 day allowance.

That really useful thanks. So if I have this right, a 6 month visa could make leisurely cruise to the med viable,
use some of it ambling down exploring brittany, start the schengen clock as you reach spain and cruise the rias and down to gib, then getalong the spanish med coast to reach the french med coast before your 90 days expires, where your visa kicks back in allowing you 3 months in mediterranean france, so dawdle enough that as you hit italy your schengen clock has wound down and you now have 90 more days around italy and greece before you must bugger off. However now you are in easy reachof croatia, montenegro turkey and tunisia, to spend your alternate 90 days in and well placed to dance between them and the schengen countries for as long as it pleases?

 

[doug748]

That is certainly true; much the same problems in the property market in Brittany as there are on Cornwall, with young local people well and truly priced out of the market.

Except that houses in Cornwall start at five times the price in Brittany.

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[Forty_Two]

That really useful thanks. So if I have this right, a 6 month visa could make leisurely cruise to the med viable,
use some of it ambling down exploring brittany, start the schengen clock as you reach spain and cruise the rias and down to gib, then getalong the spanish med coast to reach the french med coast before your 90 days expires, where your visa kicks back in allowing you 3 months in mediterranean france, so dawdle enough that as you hit italy your schengen clock has wound down and you now have 90 more days around italy and greece before you must bugger off. However now you are in easy reachof croatia, montenegro turkey and tunisia, to spend your alternate 90 days in and well placed to dance between them and the schengen countries for as long as it pleases?

As i understand it the visa has specific start & end dates so simply exiting France doesn't stop the visa running so it would have expired when back from Spain.

Whether they would allow two seperate three month & a day visas i dont know. That of course would put you over the six month rule. Maybe if the Spain part was over the new year.

Maybe do 6mth Fr, 90dys Sp 6mth Fr encompassing two Fr financial years. Would need to come home for at least 2/3 weeks as can only apply three months in advance for the Fr visa & can take up to 20 days.

The agency handling the Fr visas are very helpful & do give sensible answers by email.
TLScontact Visa Application Centre - London

 

[st599]

That really useful thanks. So if I have this right, a 6 month visa could make leisurely cruise to the med viable,
use some of it ambling down exploring brittany, start the schengen clock as you reach spain and cruise the rias and down to gib, then getalong the spanish med coast to reach the french med coast before your 90 days expires, where your visa kicks back in allowing you 3 months in mediterranean france, so dawdle enough that as you hit italy your schengen clock has wound down and you now have 90 more days around italy and greece before you must bugger off. However now you are in easy reachof croatia, montenegro turkey and tunisia, to spend your alternate 90 days in and well placed to dance between them and the schengen countries for as long as it pleases?

Does the Visa not grant you temporary residency? Certainly the ones we've looked at for work do.

That then gives you another headache as EU residents can't use Temporary Import for the yacht. You'd immediately owe VAT.

 

[Forum Admin Team]

Another thread closed for review.

Initial viewing suggest there is much content that is outwith that which is welcome on the YBW forum.

 

[Sailfree]

I note another interesting and informative thread has been closed for review by the Moderators.

Much of the info on there was interesting but some contributors still insist on wanting to argue about Brexit.

Brexit has happened and it affects many of us in a number of ways. Posts dealing with what actions to take as necessitated by Brexit are informative especially regarding sailing to EU ports.

Can we please keep the info coming but the Brexit opinions out as it will only result in potentially useful threads being closed or deleted

 

[Adios]

I just popped in to see what opinions are on Stand off drowning migrants and report – or face prosecution, sailors warned (msn.com) but i guess thats too hot to handle as well

 

[doug748]

I note another interesting and informative thread has been closed for review by the Moderators.

Much of the info on there was interesting but some contributors still insist on wanting to argue about Brexit.

Brexit has happened and it affects many of us in a number of ways. Posts dealing with what actions to take as necessitated by Brexit are informative especially regarding sailing to EU ports.

Can we please keep the info coming but the Brexit opinions out as it will only result in potentially useful threads being closed or deleted

Busted before it got going.

I am starting to think some of these folk have the makings of a formal mental disorder. Forum Hyper-Ego Syndrome, perhaps.

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[newtothis]

I note another interesting and informative thread has been closed for review by the Moderators.

Much of the info on there was interesting but some contributors still insist on wanting to argue about Brexit.

Brexit has happened and it affects many of us in a number of ways. Posts dealing with what actions to take as necessitated by Brexit are informative especially regarding sailing to EU ports.

Can we please keep the info coming but the Brexit opinions out as it will only result in potentially useful threads being closed or deleted

The one benefit of Brexit to my boating is that it has encouraged my wife to take up her ancestral right to a Spanish passport. Anyone else wanting unencumbered travel in the EU should look into similar arrangements.
This may mean revoking some previous arrangements, but eggs and omelettes, etc.