Boating what has changed

[laika]

I spoke to crew of a boat that sailed from Dunkirk to Ramsgate & back & they said none of the authorities showed any interest. Could be Ok until they suddenly do show an interest. Then one might be in trouble.

There are people who walk down the street in London smoking a spliff without the police noticing. That doesn’t mean you can do it without causing yourself a huge amount of trouble.

A new job and covid restrictions have put the dampers on going foreign this year but aside from immigration a big problem for me is booze. Until recently I was a liveaboard with half my lockers rammed with a variety of cocktail ingredients. With restrictions on alcohol imports I’d now need to find somewhere to store it all before heading to France. I’ve started removing it now but having to decide whether to take the rum OR the gin is ridiculous. Plus no more stocking up with a month’s supply of wine at carrefour

 

[Graham376]

Presumably the reason you can be smug about people concerned about the Schengen 90/180 restriction is because you have embraced your inner-European and either (a) benefit from an EU passport, or (b) have taken a residence in an EU / Schengen country...................Thanks for your (lack of) empathy, sitting comfortable from your EU residency.

The question was, what has changed for sailors so I answered what has changed for us. Nothing smug and yes, I had residence elsewhere well before the B referendum.

In truth, very little has changed for the majority of UK sailors who never leave UK waters anyway. For those who sail across to EU for long weekends or summer holidays, there have been a few changes but nothing to stop them going. Those based in EU come into various categories, many applied for residence in their chosen country, others could have done but couldn't be bothered so no sympathy there. Then there are those who couldn't qualify for residence and face real changes and problems so yes, I do have sympathy for them.

 

[Graham376]

With restrictions on alcohol imports I’d now need to find somewhere to store it all before heading to France. I’ve started removing it now but having to decide whether to take the rum OR the gin is ridiculous. Plus no more stocking up with a month’s supply of wine at carrefour

How much wine do you drink? You can still import 18 litres per crew member (over 18 years of age) into UK. As for the spirits, dedicate one of your lockers as a bond locker. Gib customs had us do that when we purchased a lot more than the allowable limit from the bond warehouse.

 

[Poignard]

There are people who walk down the street in London smoking a spliff without the police noticing. That doesn’t mean you can do it without causing yourself a huge amount of trouble.

A new job and covid restrictions have put the dampers on going foreign this year but aside from immigration a big problem for me is booze. Until recently I was a liveaboard with half my lockers rammed with a variety of cocktail ingredients. With restrictions on alcohol imports I’d now need to find somewhere to store it all before heading to France. I’ve started removing it now but having to decide whether to take the rum OR the gin is ridiculous. Plus no more stocking up with a month’s supply of wine at carrefour

When is the party? Shall I bring some spliff?

 

[Poignard]

How much wine do you drink? [...]

Prior to Brexit, that was for him to decide.

 

[Sailfree]

How much wine do you drink? You can still import 18 litres per crew member (over 18 years of age) into UK. As for the spirits, dedicate one of your lockers as a bond locker. Gib customs had us do that when we purchased a lot more than the allowable limit from the bond warehouse.

But I buy the 20ltr wine boxes in Portugal!

 

[Graham376]

But I buy the 20ltr wine boxes in Portugal!

Guess you'll just have to arrive drunk, they won't count the 2L inside your bladder

 

[steve yates]

back to France next spring with the added inconvenience of having to pay 90 euros annually for an extended visa. A pain but one that for us is worth it

is this the 12 month long stay visa where you have to show you have sufficient funds to support youraelf and accomodation? And if so, am I correct in thinking that time spent in france under this visa does not count towards your schengen allowance?

 

[steve yates]

No not at all , not never ever so ; but its made life in GB /UK safer , much safer , and about time , so we can expect to enjoy our Boating for far longer

Oh forgot , (not that we see many down here on SW coast ) but guess that the East and S East coasts have the added attention of Border Force patrolling for like minded anti EU ists from foreign countries ?

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Congratulations, you are the only person I have ever put on block or ignore or whatever it is. I wont see your reply because I am off to find out how to make sure I never read any of your offensive, passive aggressive drivel again.

 

[Sailfree]

Guess you'll just have to arrive drunk, they won't count the 2L inside your bladder

Wish my bladder could hold 2 ltrs these days! Nighttime visits to the loo are a necessity these days

 

[Lightwave395]

is this the 12 month long stay visa where you have to show you have sufficient funds to support youraelf and accomodation? And if so, am I correct in thinking that time spent in france under this visa does not count towards your schengen allowance?

Yes, that's correct, although you can't spend more than 180 continuous days in France without being liable for tax as if you lived there

 

[AngusMcDoon]

Yes, that's correct, although you can't spend more than 180 continuous days in France without being liable for tax as if you lived there

Would that make your UK VAT paid boat liable for EU VAT if you'd gone there on your own boat?

 

[steve yates]

Yes, that's correct, although you can't spend more than 180 continuous days in France without being liable for tax as if you lived there

Thanks, so as long as you left for a day or so then went back that breaks the 180 continous days?

 

[Capt Popeye]

Congratulations, you are the only person I have ever put on block or ignore or whatever it is. I wont see your reply because I am off to find out how to make sure I never read any of your offensive, passive aggressive drivel again.

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[Lightwave395]

Would that make your UK VAT paid boat liable for EU VAT if you'd gone there on your own boat?

Only if you left it there for over 18 months

 

[doug748]

I am sure It's all dreadful. However 101 posts about how jolly beastly it is for yachtsmen will alter nothing.

We know the broad strokes of the effects of our new arrangements and this thread has contributed nothing, except to make the usual contributors even more sorry for themselves. It's not 1939; still the bottom lip, man up and into the future refreshed.

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[dunedin]

I am sure It's all dreadful. However 101 posts about how jolly beastly it is for yachtsmen will alter nothing.

We know the broad strokes of the effects of our new arrangements and this thread has contributed nothing, except to make the usual contributors even more sorry for themselves. It's not 1939; still the bottom lip, man up and into the future refreshed. .

Shall we put that one down as an “I’m alright Jack” response from someone who doesn’t intend to go sailing in EU / Schengen waters, or buy /sell a boat that might previously have benefited from a wider base of boats and/or buyers.

 

[laika]

How much wine do you drink? You can still import 18 litres per crew member (over 18 years of age) into UK. As for the spirits, dedicate one of your lockers as a bond locker. Gib customs had us do that when we purchased a lot more than the allowable limit from the bond warehouse.

I'll hold up my hands and say I was unaware of the new allowance: last time I looked (probably about 5 years ago) it was 4l. In direct answer to your question "rather more than 4l/month". We have in the past brought back more than 36l between us but 36l is not too bad.

On the bonded stores thing...I guessed someone would say that but doesn't the whole bonded stores thing require a load of documentation and a seal? I'm not sure it's as simple as putting a lock on a cabinet and assuming everything will be fine when M. Douanier comes knocking. Documentation is onerous enough but where am I supposed to keep all the fish for the seal?

 

[Capt Popeye]

I am sure It's all dreadful. However 101 posts about how jolly beastly it is for yachtsmen will alter nothing.

We know the broad strokes of the effects of our new arrangements and this thread has contributed nothing, except to make the usual contributors even more sorry for themselves. It's not 1939; still the bottom lip, man up and into the future refreshed.

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Shall we put that one down as an “I’m alright Jack” response from someone who doesn’t intend to go sailing in EU / Schengen waters, or buy /sell a boat that might previously have benefited from a wider base of boats and/or buyers.

Yea well in life there are always Winners and Loosers with every change of the wind and tack of ones vessel , one mans fortune is anothers misfortune , tis the ways of life for evermore

 

[Poignard]

Yea well in life there are always Winners and Loosers with every change of the wind and tack of ones vessel , one mans fortune is anothers misfortune , tis the ways of life for evermore

I dare say you're right but we still haven't had any Brexit benefits offered.