Clancy Moped
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Does that mean you are on a Spanish flag?
Boating what has changed
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Baggywrinkle
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Even getting citizenship of an EU country doesn't free you completely from the consequences [Inappropriate quoted content removed]. I have to travel with both passports because the UK one issued while I was resident in Germany and posted to me has no EU entry stamp - so I need my German one to get past passport control when travelling to the UK - and there is no point in getting it stamped because I'll most likely stay more than 90 days so still need my German passport - and the same is true the other way round.
My Red Ensign appears to be a problem too - basically since B-Day, (01.01.2021) flying the red duster means you can be either UK goods under TA or EU goods but they can't tell the difference until they stop you and check - and because they all know about B-Day I fully expect those countries who see regular UK based visitors to jump a few and check they've done their TA paperwork - red diesel pales into insignificance when compared to what they could bag by catching a relatively expensive UK yacht that failed to complete the TA formalities.
The customs grunts are not interested in boats with EU flags so I'm going for German registration on my next boat to avoid the hassle - lets see what happens about recognition of my RYA qualifications and UK issued SRC in Germany - I already can't buy flares in Germany as it is an endorsement on the German SKS qualification - but the Italians will sell them to me.
I've also had problems selling my UK flagged (but EU goods) boat as they wanted VAT and import duty off the new owner simply because it was UK flagged - hopefully resolved but watch this space.
It's like playing whack-a-mole, no sooner do you solve one problem, another rears it's ugly head [Inappropriate quoted content removed] and going full native German seems like the only way out.
PS: .. and on my last UK trip I was forced to eat my pork pie before I landed in Schiphol - no meat or dairy products allowed
My Red Ensign appears to be a problem too - basically since B-Day, (01.01.2021) flying the red duster means you can be either UK goods under TA or EU goods but they can't tell the difference until they stop you and check - and because they all know about B-Day I fully expect those countries who see regular UK based visitors to jump a few and check they've done their TA paperwork - red diesel pales into insignificance when compared to what they could bag by catching a relatively expensive UK yacht that failed to complete the TA formalities.
The customs grunts are not interested in boats with EU flags so I'm going for German registration on my next boat to avoid the hassle - lets see what happens about recognition of my RYA qualifications and UK issued SRC in Germany - I already can't buy flares in Germany as it is an endorsement on the German SKS qualification - but the Italians will sell them to me.
I've also had problems selling my UK flagged (but EU goods) boat as they wanted VAT and import duty off the new owner simply because it was UK flagged - hopefully resolved but watch this space.
It's like playing whack-a-mole, no sooner do you solve one problem, another rears it's ugly head [Inappropriate quoted content removed] and going full native German seems like the only way out.
PS: .. and on my last UK trip I was forced to eat my pork pie before I landed in Schiphol - no meat or dairy products allowed
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Poignard
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PS: .. and on my last UK trip I was forced to eat my pork pie before I landed in Schiphol - no meat or dairy products allowed
I wasn't aware that British pork pies contained any pork. . . .
sailaboutvic
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We now got a forum some been asking for thread shut down for the silly reason ,
you can thank them who every five mins complaint to the Mod ,
you can thank them who every five mins complaint to the Mod ,
sailaboutvic
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BaggyW so far we had no problems re flying RDEven getting citizenship of an EU country doesn't free you completely from the consequences [Inappropriate quoted content removed]. I have to travel with both passports because the UK one issued while I was resident in Germany and posted to me has no EU entry stamp - so I need my German one to get past passport control when travelling to the UK - and there is no point in getting it stamped because I'll most likely stay more than 90 days so still need my German passport - and the same is true the other way round.
My Red Ensign appears to be a problem too - basically since B-Day, (01.01.2021) flying the red duster means you can be either UK goods under TA or EU goods but they can't tell the difference until they stop you and check - and because they all know about B-Day I fully expect those countries who see regular UK based visitors to jump a few and check they've done their TA paperwork - red diesel pales into insignificance when compared to what they could bag by catching a relatively expensive UK yacht that failed to complete the TA formalities.
The customs grunts are not interested in boats with EU flags so I'm going for German registration on my next boat to avoid the hassle - lets see what happens about recognition of my RYA qualifications and UK issued SRC in Germany - I already can't buy flares in Germany as it is an endorsement on the German SKS qualification - but the Italians will sell them to me.
I've also had problems selling my UK flagged (but EU goods) boat as they wanted VAT and import duty off the new owner simply because it was UK flagged - hopefully resolved but watch this space.
It's like playing whack-a-mole, no sooner do you solve one problem, another rears it's ugly head [Inappropriate quoted content removed] and going full native German seems like the only way out.
PS: .. and on my last UK trip I was forced to eat my pork pie before I landed in Schiphol - no meat or dairy products allowed
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Frogmogman
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Poetical commentary ?
Sounds like bad news for my post about Silver Apple of the Moon on the One Ton Cup thread then.
Daydream believer
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Boats do not fly in to Schipol so the comment may be irrelevant where airports are concerend. Many of us have heard the story ( whether true or not, it did the rounds)of the lorry driver who had to discard his sandwiches on arrival on EU shores.PS: .. and on my last UK trip I was forced to eat my pork pie before I landed in Schiphol - no meat or dairy products allowed
But going back to yachts, can anyone tell me how it affects a fully provisioned sailing vessel coming from the Uk. If I do get to cross the channel for a few weeks in 2022 I would normally take plenty of supplies & only stock up with perishables as required. In the past i did not have a fridge so meat products were minimal, but that would be different for others. I now have a fridge.
So does anyone know how the rules might be applied for us sailing along the coast, rather than entering by airport & travelling over the EU by land with the produce. Will we have to dump the stuff & buy locally. That could even include the daily pinta & all sorts of fish & meat based products ( Stock cubes, Oxo cubes??) as well as things we may not actually think of.
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sailaboutvic
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Well so far I can say it's made not a bit of different to us as full time EU cruises ,
There been a mix of options out in the real world ,
We known cruisers who for the first time have dump boats to keep within the rules other have sailed between the EU and non EU countries,
then they are Many others like our self who just carried on as we always have done,
Just under 9 months cruising 11 months in the EU add to that three boarding which officials had no interest how long we been in the EU or when we was leaving .
We see what next year will bring ,
but one thing for sure until we come across a problem we can't over come we just carry on .
There been a mix of options out in the real world ,
We known cruisers who for the first time have dump boats to keep within the rules other have sailed between the EU and non EU countries,
then they are Many others like our self who just carried on as we always have done,
Just under 9 months cruising 11 months in the EU add to that three boarding which officials had no interest how long we been in the EU or when we was leaving .
We see what next year will bring ,
but one thing for sure until we come across a problem we can't over come we just carry on .
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Genau! Es ist eine grosse Menge Scheisse.Even getting citizenship of an EU country doesn't free you completely from the consequences [Inappropriate quoted content removed]. I have to travel with both passports because the UK one issued while I was resident in Germany and posted to me has no EU entry stamp - so I need my German one to get past passport control when travelling to the UK - and there is no point in getting it stamped because I'll most likely stay more than 90 days so still need my German passport - and the same is true the other way round.
My Red Ensign appears to be a problem too - basically since B-Day, (01.01.2021) flying the red duster means you can be either UK goods under TA or EU goods but they can't tell the difference until they stop you and check - and because they all know about B-Day I fully expect those countries who see regular UK based visitors to jump a few and check they've done their TA paperwork - red diesel pales into insignificance when compared to what they could bag by catching a relatively expensive UK yacht that failed to complete the TA formalities.
The customs grunts are not interested in boats with EU flags so I'm going for German registration on my next boat to avoid the hassle - lets see what happens about recognition of my RYA qualifications and UK issued SRC in Germany - I already can't buy flares in Germany as it is an endorsement on the German SKS qualification - but the Italians will sell them to me.
I've also had problems selling my UK flagged (but EU goods) boat as they wanted VAT and import duty off the new owner simply because it was UK flagged - hopefully resolved but watch this space.
It's like playing whack-a-mole, no sooner do you solve one problem, another rears it's ugly head [Inappropriate quoted content removed] and going full native German seems like the only way out.
PS: .. and on my last UK trip I was forced to eat my pork pie before I landed in Schiphol - no meat or dairy products allowed
Baggywrinkle
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I think the issue is that both the UK and EU customs officers now have an arsenal of weapons they can use against errant yachtsmen which they didn't have before. Not everyone travelling with red diesel had a problem, not everyone got caught, and I think when you do get caught, the customs officials have a certain degree of discretion which may well result in not too much trouble. If you're lucky, they'll just tell you to leave .... now! or simply confiscate any foodstuffs that contravene the regulations and charge duty on the stuff that wasn't declared.
There are new rules about what you can import into the EU, from limits on alcohol to restrictions on foodstuffs - if a lorry driver can't bring his lunch with him, what makes a boat owner, or a camper van/caravan owner think they'll get a magic dispensation to cross the border with a huge booze cupboard full of spirits? Anything to declare sir?
It all makes no sense because we used to carry all sorts of stuff over the channel - but now the rules have changed. There is no difference between the ham sandwiches that crossed the channel in 2018 and the ones which got confiscated in 2021 - but an Australian, a New Zealander or an American has always had a problem with foodstuffs, and the UK has joined their club now so will be subject to the same rules until something else gets negotiated.
It's the customs officers who decide to throw the book at you that are the problem - and now they have an arsenal of rules and regulations they can use to make cruisers lives miserable - it remains to be seen how how they choose to use their new-found power.
Like I already mentioned in other threads, I've had the EU goods status of my boat challenged with a potential buyer now worried about a huge VAT bill - just because the customs men on the ground don't fully understand the rules. Expect more of the same IMO.
If you want to watch lorry drivers having their food confiscated in Holland then here is the link .......
Hoe een in beslag genomen broodje ham van een reiziger ineens symbool werd voor de gevolgen van brexit
Here's the CA seminar from Dec 2020.
There are new rules about what you can import into the EU, from limits on alcohol to restrictions on foodstuffs - if a lorry driver can't bring his lunch with him, what makes a boat owner, or a camper van/caravan owner think they'll get a magic dispensation to cross the border with a huge booze cupboard full of spirits? Anything to declare sir?
It all makes no sense because we used to carry all sorts of stuff over the channel - but now the rules have changed. There is no difference between the ham sandwiches that crossed the channel in 2018 and the ones which got confiscated in 2021 - but an Australian, a New Zealander or an American has always had a problem with foodstuffs, and the UK has joined their club now so will be subject to the same rules until something else gets negotiated.
It's the customs officers who decide to throw the book at you that are the problem - and now they have an arsenal of rules and regulations they can use to make cruisers lives miserable - it remains to be seen how how they choose to use their new-found power.
Like I already mentioned in other threads, I've had the EU goods status of my boat challenged with a potential buyer now worried about a huge VAT bill - just because the customs men on the ground don't fully understand the rules. Expect more of the same IMO.
If you want to watch lorry drivers having their food confiscated in Holland then here is the link .......
Hoe een in beslag genomen broodje ham van een reiziger ineens symbool werd voor de gevolgen van brexit
Here's the CA seminar from Dec 2020.
steve yates
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Thats pretty good but I just cannot imagine you will keep getting away with it. No big deal if they just rap your knuckles and tell you to bugger off for 3 momths, but are there other potentially serious consequences that you could suffer if you met the wrong official on a bad day? Like sequestering of your boat? Or big fines or a ban?
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sailaboutvic
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Only time will tell Steve ,
But for now I'm willing to carry on next year the same , one problem I have is at the moment I'm having to visit several EU countries by plane plus the UK and tho so far no one bothered with passport I get the feeling by what some have wrote in the pass that once I fly out of the UK and back into the EU things may change.
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DanTribe
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I have tried to read and understand the rules on travelling to Belgium and Netherlands by yacht, but my eyes keep glazing over and I'm none the wiser.
With two of us our preferred route is Burnham to Nieupoort, then on to Vlissingen. Can we still do this?
With a stronger crew we have gone direct to Ijmuiden.
Do we need to get passports stamped? Probably OK at Nieupoort, there's a customs / police office there but I've never seen one in Vlissingen. I once tried to lodge a Schengen crew list at Breskens but the harbourmaster waved it away.
Our strategy for returning is to wait for a spell of suitable weather and leave from wherever we happen to be, could be Ijmuiden, Stellendam, Breskens etc. Will we need to log out from a specific port in future?
With two of us our preferred route is Burnham to Nieupoort, then on to Vlissingen. Can we still do this?
With a stronger crew we have gone direct to Ijmuiden.
Do we need to get passports stamped? Probably OK at Nieupoort, there's a customs / police office there but I've never seen one in Vlissingen. I once tried to lodge a Schengen crew list at Breskens but the harbourmaster waved it away.
Our strategy for returning is to wait for a spell of suitable weather and leave from wherever we happen to be, could be Ijmuiden, Stellendam, Breskens etc. Will we need to log out from a specific port in future?
st599
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At the moment you need to get your passports stamped, from next year you need to get a biometric scan and fingerprint scan in to and out of the new EES database system. Sometime after that, you'll need to have an ETIAS pre-clearance and EES.
As to where you can get this, it depends on each country. I believe Belgium have an app you need to fill in just before you arrive then you're met on arrival. Most others require you to check in and out at Ports of Entry.
Then there's the new eC1331 form to file before you leave the UK and then again before you arrive back. The form says you have to sit on your boat until cleared by customs. If you have a non-British Citizen onboard, you need to get pre-clearance from Border Force before entering the 2 mile limit (but the form doesn't tell you how to do this).
westhinder
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As I understand it, you will still be able to sail to any Belgian harbour (they are all ports of entry), get your passport stamped there and then move to another Schengen country unhindered, without further checking in. You can be stamped out at any port of entry you choose. Whether all Dutch North Sea harbours are also ports of entry I am not sure, but I would be surprised if they weren’t. I have been visited in the past by Dutch customs at the pontoon on the inside of the Roompot lock (Oosterschelde) and at the lock in Vlissingen. Vlissingen is a bigger commercial harbour than you might think, they certainly have a customs office
Poignard
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Not yet.
Not while I still have sufficient skill and strength to enjoy sailing a boat.
Perhaps I might treat myself to a motor boat for my 90th birthday. ?
Frogmogman
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……if they still allow motors…