Blue Ensign Abroad ?

[MASH]

Re: Follow on from Lescargot ...

nigel luther, to be strictky correct you won't be flying a "Union Jack" at home unless your hom is a warship in commission, and if you flew/oops, there I go! wore a St George's cross in conjunction with that you'd probably be court-martialled. If it ain't on the jackpole of a warship it aint a Union Jack, its the Union Flag.

There, I feel better for that! Must go and iron my Blue Ensign!



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[Guest]

I consider my hair split !!

Over here - there are special days that Latvian / Estonian / Lithuanian flag must be flown by all houses / aprt. blocks ...... to commemurate anniversarys etc. ( dependent on which state your are in of course !)

I quietly let people know that in old Blighty - we do not have this custom and I object to being told to fly anything ...... patriotism cannot be forced.

So I hang out my Union Flag and St. Georges cross flag outside my house and proud of it. All I want is now an Anti Euro Flag to stick up with them ......


<hr width=100% size=1>Nigel ... and of course Yahoo groups :
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[Guest]

Stars and stripes ...

Pert ....... the point about the Stars and Stripes ....

I am surprised that Blair hasn't asked Bush if he can be Governor of the latests entrant to the list of states in USA ...... UK........


and that the Euro flag is a collection of stars .... only a short hop to a Stars and Stripes design .....


<hr width=100% size=1>Nigel ... and of course Yahoo groups :
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[steve_cronin]

Just for yesterday, today and tomorrow.......NB

...we are flying the Singaporean Flag at home (& there isn't a Union Flag in sight for it to be flown "inferior" to) So it's certainly against the accepted ettiquette and probably illegal. However so is doing 75 in a 70 limit and I've lost count of the number of times I've done that!

The BNP defeated district council candidate will no doubt be perched on his usual barstool in the local tonight, grimacing over his gold-rims at me.

Hot in here, isn't it?

Steve Cronin

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[Jools_of_Top_Cat]

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[alec]

Interesting all the non responses.

No one willing to admit that they have flown a ‘Blue’ or prepared to give any logical reason why they should do so.

Par for the course I would say .








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[l'escargot]

You don\'t qualify for one then? NM

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[Neraida]

"non responses??"

I think i responded correctly. I am entitled to fly/wear/hoist a Blue Ensign, but as an ex merchant seaman, I prefer to fly/etc the red on most occasions.

The "logical" reason why I have worn a Blue ensign in the past, is that I wanted to and can. It was for a club regatta of the yacht club of which we are members, and I thought it fitting.

The "logical" reason why wearers of different colours and/or defaced ensigns is that they CAN and THEY WANT TO.

Its such a shame that we all have to be the same to keep the PC crowd (of which, no doubt, you are a member) happy.
All people equal... hmmmm.... maybe some more equal than others, with their yachts and nice cars etc...

Would you like a ladder to get down from your horse?


PS Sorry Kim. Couldn't let it lie.

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[alec]

Thankyou for responding in a positive way.

You have still not answered the question though.

You seem to be saying that just because you can fly one you do . What kind of answer is that ?

WE are talking about something very important here. A national flag that defines us as a particular group of people . A unique Nation. Not a member of a sporting club. Club burgee’s do this quite well.

One group of people can fly two flags to define this but another group only one. Why would any group of people want to create a division with it’s fellow people by doing this just because it can ? Would you say this is a good thing for a nation ?

Regards,



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[alec]

Re: You don\'t qualify for one then? NM

Like others, you seem to enjoy words very much like 'allowed', 'qualify' 'entitled' 'permitted' .

I would put it to you that this is where the attraction is. Obviously not for the consideration of others and the good of a nation though.

By the way. It is very easy to get a Blue Ensign. Joining the Cruising Club for well under a 100 is but one way. But why not join the Cruising Club because you want to and for us try to become united as sailors and citizens. There are many splendid ways for us to behave in a personal and unique way on the water which most do.

Does not the Red Ensign define our freedom to do so ?

Regards,






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[mikewilkes]

I am entitled by RN connections of my own to do so, but only wear the blue when father in law is onboard - "he of 32 years in the grey funnel line".

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[mikewilkes]

I am entitled by RN connections of my own to do so, but only wear the blue when father in law is onboard - "he of 32 years with the grey funnel line".

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[Neraida]

read my post again, carefully: I said...

"I think i responded correctly. I am entitled to fly/wear/hoist a Blue Ensign, but as an ex merchant seaman, I prefer to fly/etc the red on most occasions."

Good of the nation? Oh please...

Firstly. The three colours of ensigns Red, Blue and White, were originally to signify the three different squadrons of the Royal Navy. Was that detremental to the good of the nation?

Secondly. This country only has its heritage left, everything else has been destroyed by bad government, liberal education and political correctness.. even our language has been dessimated. Would you deny the Royal Navy, HM C&E, Trinity House and the Royal Air Force its right to fly its colours? Come to that, does your principal apply to the regiments of the British Army and maybe even the Royal Standard?

Thirdly. Related to the previous point. The Yacht Club of which I am a member is one of the oldest in the country, and in fact, the world and is rich in tradition and a history of which I am proud to be associated. During a part of that history, the club was granted a warrant by the King to wear a Blue Ensign with a defaced jack. I wish to, during club events, honour the club by wearing its colours.



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[MASH]

ALEC. nON RESPONSE? Ps check my last post.

I too am proud to wear the Blue, because I can and because I am entitled to because I earned it, and that is good anough reason. It is nothing whatever to do with divisiveness, quite the opposite in fact, it is you that are promoting divisiveness in this matter by your curious prejudices where no divisiveness exists.

I also on occasion wear my RN tie as I am "entitled" to do, and if I do not belong to the same golf club as you I wouldn't dream of wearing your club tie, that would be extremely bad manners, wouldn't it? I sweated blood (almost literally) to earn the right to wear that tie, and now I find I am allowed to go afloat with a burgee (of the RNSA) that permits me to wear a Blue Ensign of which I am very proud. So I do. For your info I dam well earned it, training to protect the freedom of you, amongst others, though I suspect you won't be impressed by that. Do I care? Hell no.

How does this affect you in any way? The fact is it doesn't, and if you wanted you too could join a club that allows you a Blue too. What would that prove? Nothing. Except that you just joined a club...Nothing to do with divisiveness ot elitism or any other silly kind of imagined "ism". Just that you were a member of a certain club. So what? If you turn up at my local municipal course wearing an R & A tie would I be impressed, irritated offended or moved to outright vituperation? For God's sake why should I? How utterly petty! If I recognised it (I wouldn't) I'd only realize you were a golfer. How is that divisive?

Come on, life's too short...



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[l'escargot]

Re: You don\'t qualify for one then? NM

Yes, I like the fact that I am "allowed " to fly a certain ensign and you are right that it is fairly easy to be "allowed" "entitled" or "permitted" to do so. As you say, you could "qualify" if you joined certain clubs. So where is the problem?

I fly mine as a symbol of belonging (and because of what multiple ensigns signify to our nation - they are part of maritime history which was very much for the "good of the nation").

It is my way of behaving in a "personal and unique way" in spite people who wish to take that away. I show my consideration of others by trying not to impose my prejudices on them.

Along with the words you quote should be "freedom" and as long as I have that freedom I will exercise it, just as you choose not to. All this modern talk of "unity" and "citizens" is just a shallow control mechanism to get us all to conform for political ends.

If we all end up flying one flag, I guarantee it won't be the Red Ensign - don't play into their hands and do the dirty work for them. Next you'll be talking about changing the honours system or making reference to The Empire illegal. Good God man get a grip!

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[l'escargot]

Where does it end?

"One group of people can fly two flags to define this but another group only one. Why would any group of people want to create a division with it’s fellow people by doing this just because it can ? Would you say this is a good thing for a nation ? "

Using your argument "citizens" (I prefer "subjects" because we are still a monarchy after all, but that's another argument) of the UK can fly the union flag, should they not be allowed to fly a national flag also? Or, even more ominous "citizens" of Europe can fly the european flag, should they not be allowed to fly a national flag.

Would you say this is a good thing for a nation ?

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[Stemar]

Re: anti europe flag

How about the union flag above the EU flag?

I could also see a case for stars and stripes above EU stars, all over the union flag(inverted) as a more accurate reflection of our present situation

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[charles_reed]

Don\'t confuse the poor

bu**er with facts - he's obviously made up his mind.

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[Violetta]

Asking the right questions?

Is the colour of the ensign supposed to "benefit sailing" or to "benefit our image abroad"? I'm not sure I share this assumption, without which the question is meaningless.

Having cruised abroad for many years with an undefaced blue (my husband is ex RN and we have "his and hers" ensigns for when he is, or is not, aboard) I am tempted to ask the more pertinent question - what harm does it do? All nations have their quirks and this - the commemoration of sterling service, mainly in coastal forces during two world wars, by past members of certain yacht clubs* - is one of ours. As far as I can see, the only danger is to the mental and physical health of those who choose to get worked up about it.

*In case you didn't know, that is why certain clubs were granted to right to issue warrents - that, and nothing else, is what it signifies, although many and various prejudices are projected upon it.

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[IanPoole2]

Re: Where does it end?

Surely you mean serfs!

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