Bayesian.

[oldgit]

A thoughtful and balanced review of what happened and why on ITV last night.
Pertinent questions asked regards how we should all look after somebody coming aboard our boat as a guest, no matter how humble the craft. ?

 

[Mister E]

Where?

 

[Puffin10032]

This one?

 

[lustyd]

I've got a lot of respect for Kraken, but if they built superyachts I don't think people would buy them. We have to acknowledge that the design criteria for a superyacht is different to that of a Kraken. His implication that a 56m yacht should have a hatch and that that hatch should be high with steps up to it entirely misses the point of what people do on these boats.
Unfortunately the position of the manufacturer that the boat was unsinkable invites these pointless comparisons. If a boat has a hot tub, it's probably not designed for F10 sailing.

 

[oldgit]

This one?

The ITV documentary programme dealt with facts available to date and did not apportion blame.
Similar to any MCA investigation it merely went through the events which lead up to the sinking and the rescue attempts afterwards.

 

[Sea Change]

Definately not. The programme concerned dealt with facts not personal conjecture.

Which program?

 

[Sandy]

A serious amount of arse covering without knowing any facts.

 

[oldgit]

It did mention some of the the interesting speculative theories proposed by armchair experts on sailing websites which proved to be wildly inaccurate when the wreck was eventually inspected by divers with regards to the mast , open hatches, windows etc.
Investigation will be continued when the vessel is raised and hopefully some conclusion reached.

 

[RunAgroundHard]

… Pertinent questions asked regards how we should all look after somebody coming aboard our boat as a guest, no matter how humble the craft. ?

At the beginning of all the conjecture around the sinking, a similar thought was expressed a few times on videos. It was always rebutted in the context of superyachts. The owners, guests or charterers were not interested in drills or safety briefings, in all cases mentioned, with one captain saying in 5 years, despite a requirement, not one life jacket, or abandon ship drill was performed. There was a perception of power, denial and expected servitude of the crew to the guests. No doubt there is a lot of ego psychology around why wealthy people think like that. It is totally different to how many on here, I assume, will look after their crew.

Of course, my claim that the super wealthy are only interested in their self and hedonistic lifestyle is a generalization. No doubt some will enjoy being told how to don a life jacket and drill abandoning ship.

 

[Martin_J]

Which program?

There was a documentary on ITV last night...


https://www.itv.com/watch/the-sinking-of-a-superyacht:-how-safe-is-your-voyage/10a6173a0001B

 

[Puffin10032]

The ITV documentary programme dealt with facts available to date and did not apportion blame.
Similar to any MCA investigation it merely went through the events which lead up to the sinking and the rescue attempts afterwards.

I'm sorry but I have no idea what you're talking about. I haven't watched ITV for maybe 40 years (if not more). In fact I don't watch TV at all except twice a year when SpringWatch or WinterWatch are on. Apart from that the TV stays switched off.

 

[dunedin]

I'm sorry but I have no idea what you're talking about. I haven't watched ITV for maybe 40 years (if not more). In fact I don't watch TV at all except twice a year when SpringWatch or WinterWatch are on. Apart from that the TV stays switched off.

Good for you. But the OP was clear in post #1 he was referring to a programme on TV (which I also saw).
If you choose not to watch TV you won’t see it.

 

[TiggerToo]

A serious amount of arse covering without knowing any facts.

yes. You might have expected that. But it was also interesting to hear a wide-ranging set of testimonies of people who were around there and involved.

Obviously it was not a formal investigation (that will take a long time to come out), but I found some of the comments thought provoking. And also, commendably, apparently devoid of "disaster porn".

(The only downside? It was ITV, so interrupted by inane adverts for perfume and other trash)

I felt it was informative.

A fuller version will have to wait for the outcome of the formal investigations - but I hope that the Big Hitters (e.g. Perini Navi) will not have undue influence in covering up uncomfortable truths (see also the interview by Dick Durham, although that one is to an "interested party")

 

[Puffin10032]

Good for you. But the OP wa de clear in post #1 he was referring to a programme on TV (which I also saw).
If you choose not to watch TV you won’t see it.

Err no. He's rewritten his post after the event to let us know what he was actually talking about. Prior to that it was anyone's guess and I guessed wrong.

 

[scottie]

I've got a lot of respect for Kraken, but if they built superyachts I don't think people would buy them. We have to acknowledge that the design criteria for a superyacht is different to that of a Kraken. His implication that a 56m yacht should have a hatch and that that hatch should be high with steps up to it entirely misses the point of what people do on these boats.
Unfortunately the position of the manufacturer that the boat was unsinkable invites these pointless comparisons. If a boat has a hot tub, it's probably not designed for F10 sailing.

 

[mjcoon]

Which program?

It is being repeated, also on ITV, at 22:45 on Tuesday 8th October.

 

[Sandy]

yes. You might have expected that. But it was also interesting to hear a wide-ranging set of testimonies of people who were around there and involved.

Obviously it was not a formal investigation (that will take a long time to come out), but I found some of the comments thought provoking. And also, commendably, apparently devoid of "disaster porn".

(The only downside? It was ITV, so interrupted by inane adverts for perfume and other trash)

I felt it was informative.

A fuller version will have to wait for the outcome of the formal investigations - but I hope that the Big Hitters (e.g. Perini Navi) will not have undue influence in covering up uncomfortable truths (see also the interview by Dick Durham, although that one is to an "interested party")

I hope that the people from the MAIB have concluded their interviews with everybody involved before Dick Durham waded in, in his size 9 sea boots. He must know that there would be a) a MAIB investigation and b) a Coroners Inquest.

Having sailed with a friend who was on one of the Clipper boats that had a fatality the description of his MIAB interview was very interesting and his comment about the report that was issued was at it was a 'balanced view'.

Like others I've not watched TV since we went digital, but might find the programme online.

 

[Seastoke]

I'm sorry but I have no idea what you're talking about. I haven't watched ITV for maybe 40 years (if not more). In fact I don't watch TV at all except twice a year when SpringWatch or WinterWatch are on. Apart from that the TV stays switched off.

Well you don’t spend much time on here , wtf do you do.

 

[capnsensible]

Well you don’t spend much time on here , wtf do you do.

Enjoy having a life?

 

[Wansworth]

But

Enjoy having a life?

is there life without the forum……I am seeding the lawn hoping “Kirk” will water it