Apologies, advice on boat choice

[MART1N]

Both nice boats.

I'd go for the Targa 37. Same layout as the Sealine but much nicer finish. Go for blue hull (don't be tempted by green/burgundy/white - you'll pay the price when you want to sell!) with dark cherry would inside.

Look for one with as much kit as possible - eberspecher, plotter. Bow thruster is nice, although you don't really need it.

KAD44's are the ones to go for.

Haven't looked at these for a couple of years, so don'tknow how this stacks up with the budget you quoted.

Locationwise - Port Solent is nice and not that far from Chichester (Not sure if Fairline dealer is still there?)

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[capnbirdseye]

Yup, I think from all the info I have had I will aim for a Targa 37 with blue hull. They are a little above my cash budget but worth the extra. I am amazed by all the feedback, looking forward to having a beer with one or two of you soon. My strategy is to wait until Southampton boat show and see if there are any good deals to be had 'on the day'. Alternatively, if anybody knows of somebody planning to sell their Targa 36/37 toward the end of this year then I would love to avoid the estate agents, sorry..brokers.

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[Nauti Fox]

Got a friend selling a very,very nice targa 38 (green).
PM me if you want details.
Regards, al.

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[capnbirdseye]

After a little time I have made a bit more progress, saw a nice '93 Targa 35 today that seems to fit the 'new entrant' category quite well, cheaper (much) than a newer targa, kad42's, roomy, low hours, needs a bit of cosmeticaryness but overall a nice boat. Anybody out there have one of these for any pointers?

Thanks.

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[tcm]

loads of good advice here.

However, I most certainly did not follow any of it, and mrs tcm bullied me into buying a targa 48 as first boat, hence kept it for quite while, instead as most newbies do - want to sell it as soon as poss cos either a) sick of it or b)want to trade up. So, could poss plunge in here or higher. My first car was an £400 XJ6, and you get plenty of space and no arseiness as you perform 21 point turns in the high street. Bigger boats are easier to handle.

ahem, anyway T36 (but narrow swim platform) is nice but then s37 is also nice. Agree with Deleted User regarding justification for higher perceived quality - sometimes the bits are almost interchangeable between boats, same engines etc. Both are fine, and you have pretty much found your way to the 36 equiv of a german car, sort of, except that things may fall off. Targa "feels" better.

I wd be happy to help with x-channel trip. Or anywhere.

Hint: if you buy from a dealer i wd make sure that you keep the boat in the SAME MARINA as that dealer for the first year at least. then you aren't miles away if (when) there's a little problem. Yes, port solent is nice, esp if the weather is crap plenty to do. Sealine dealers seem to be more proactive, perhaps, and the company is driven by somebody who knows/likes boats a fair bit.

Er, occassional trip to the med eh? Trips to the med are significant undertakings. Really, where do you want this boat to be? main difference is that med is sunnnier and you can jump in the water for a swim (in the summer anyway) , but more £exp. Uk you can use the boat more often, cept the extra time you do visit the boat, the weather may be shite. or praps not.

Ps don't bother re rubbish typing/fat finger errors.

good luck

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[capnbirdseye]

WRT where to keep the boat we thought about SthFrance until I learned that you have to pay 18% of 'foreign' boats' value if kept there for more than 6 months, assume that if you buy over there then this doesnt apply? The T35 I saw today was in Channel Islands, nice location but weather not much better than SouthEngland, moorings cheaper though but I dont like flying on planes with propellers to get anywhere.
Trips to the med would be future plans, need to get a good few hours/trips comfortably under my belt.

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[jfm]

VAT

Eh, the 18% thing - if it is suggested it applies universally - is complete tosh. There is 18.6% VAT in francebut if the boat is VATpaid already (eg you buy it VATpaid in UK as will highly likely be the case for the boats you are looking at) there is no more VAT to pay. No taxes whatsoever to pay in France

However if you buy a boat that has always lived in CI then it is likely not VAT paid so you have to pay VAT on first import into EU, eg if you bring it to UK you pay 17.5% UK VAT. Then no more VAT in France or anywhere else. There are some simple strategies to reduce this a bit, and complex strategies to reduce it a lot.

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[tcm]

ah but

yep, if a boat is vat-paid in UK, it's vat-paid everywhere.

sepretly, whilst i agree that buying secondhand boat from CI means they are vat-free, i don't agree that the vat-free paper-shuffkle is right for everyone. So, whereas the likes of jfm accounty-legal bods can speak normally to a tax inspector without breaking into a cold sweat and looking guilty, lots of us can't. Sepretly, working to save the vat on smaller boats ain't worth that much: note that the axshul vat saving on 100k boat ain't £17.5 k, capnbirdseye, it's only vat on the the difference between buying and selling price. So if you sell after 2 years at 90k (say) yerv saved les than two grand, but spent more than that on the accountanty bills, and a load of ah but see here0type grief witgh cuystoms people who will waste no time impounding the boat if it ain't done quite right.

As i said, best is most certainly to keep the boat in the same marina as the broker from whom you bought it. Which almost certainly won't be in the channel islands.

Incidentally, uk boating is almost certianly a bit more challenging than the med, really, with bigger seas and tides etc.

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[jfm]

Re: ah but

Yep, all true, but what you say is a bit UK centric. To get an absolute VAT saing in uK is pretty complex as you say, but in other countries it is much easier.

Anyway, sorry, didn't expl;ain, the easiest way to save a bit (as opposed to a lot) of VAT if buying in CI is to keep the boat over there for a few months after you buy it. Then import to UK. The UK VAT people have to agree a fair value for boat at time of import and bill you 17.5% of that. This is a negotiation. The answer is not the price you paid becos the boat is older now, so you can have a discussion and try to agree a smaller value. There are folks in CI who have good relationships with the VAT valuer officers on the UK S Coast and can pull together all the right arguments to get the value agreed at the lowest fair value. Hence the VAT might be say14% ish of the price paid for boat. And this involves no fancy companies, accountants, visits from Customs etc.

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[KevB]

Targa 35 is same as a targa 33 but with a transom door and a proper bathing platform and all a bit newer and rounded. Targa 33's are excellent boats so assume the t35 is also.

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[tcm]

more about boats v cars

yep agreed.

though for capnbirdseye, important to realise that these are handbuilt items, and by that i mean a whole load more handbuilt than any bentley since 1950. Altho a flop of a boat model is under two dozen units, a really decent production run for a 36 foot boat is only a few hundred. So, even amongst the same model there are not so good ones that leak and run slowly and bits fall off a lot, and there are others which are really very good. Not like cars which have much higher repeatability hence more uniformly crap or uniformly decent.



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