All new Dufou 41

[geem]

Surprised to see you in the closeted chip on my shoulder with envy club ?

Some peole just don't get it. We don't sail an older boat because we can't afford a new boat. It's simply that new boats have nothing we want. It's not built to do the kind of sailing we do. If I had a slot in a marina in the Med ( heaven forbid) then I can understand the attraction but we don't and its a completely different lifestyle choice to ours.
The Dufour 41 is so far removed from the list of attributes our perfect boat would have that it wouldn't make the top 100 list. Everything is wrong about it

 

[doug748]

It's not a lone offender either, here is another of Buzz Lightyear's sailboats :




I first saw one of these on a car park, dint look pretty, Jeanneau 410.

Same Travelodge interior style but very much improved; curiously the new First 36 manages to have a much more friendly interior and yet be a performance vehicle.

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[Skylark]

Some peole just don't get it. We don't sail an older boat because we can't afford a new boat. It's simply that new boats have nothing we want. It's not built to do the kind of sailing we do. If I had a slot in a marina in the Med ( heaven forbid) then I can understand the attraction but we don't and its a completely different lifestyle choice to ours.
The Dufour 41 is so far removed from the list of attributes our perfect boat would have that it wouldn't make the top 100 list. Everything is wrong about it

I completely agree with much of this. The bit I don’t get is why you and a few others are so Evangelically against anyone liking such vessels. We all have different likes and dislikes, why disparage those of others? I’d submit that your sailing lifestyle is at the opposite end of the spectrum to the majority of posters. I wouldn’t want your boat as a gift yet I’m often among the first posters to wish you fair winds as you embark upon a long journey. I’m happy for all to enjoy their time afloat and their choice of vessel is not for me to criticise.

Out of interest, I’ve had a quick look through my sailing logbook and counted that I’ve sailed on around 50 different boats. I’ve enjoyed being on all but my current boat suits my style of recreational sailing quite well. It’s not to everyone’s taste but that’s ok, most people seem happy enough to wave as we pass on the water.

 

[Fr J Hackett]

I completely agree with much of this. The bit I don’t get is why you and a few others are so Evangelically against anyone liking such vessels. We all have different likes and dislikes, why disparage those of others? I’d submit that your sailing lifestyle is at the opposite end of the spectrum to the majority of posters. I wouldn’t want your boat as a gift yet I’m often among the first posters to wish you fair winds as you embark upon a long journey. I’m happy for all to enjoy their time afloat and their choice of vessel is not for me to criticise.

Out of interest, I’ve had a quick look through my sailing logbook and counted that I’ve sailed on around 50 different boats. I’ve enjoyed being on all but my current boat suits my style of recreational sailing quite well. It’s not to everyone’s taste but that’s ok, most people seem happy enough to wave as we pass on the water.

No one or at leas not I is against anyone owning anything Dufour 41s or even Teslas it is just a personal opinion of them which also makes them unsuitable for me.
Did I disparage others, I think not, I said Ikea on water and that is a very justifiable comment given the interior styling.

 

[Stemar]

Ikea-on-Sea. Yes, but there's a reason Ikea's so successful. Even big Dufours are built to a budget, and it's a style that appeals to quite a lot of people, while lending itself to mass production - cnc cutting and the like. Sure you can have a modern boat with a traditional, hand built interior, but it'll be double the price. Your choice. If you're rich enough, go talk to Spirit, but for the averagely wealthy, who can only afford to spend the price of a small house on their boat, I can see the appeal. No, it doesn't appeal to me, I'd rather have a Kraken that's a few years old because, in my dreams, that's the kind of sailing I'd be doing but, realistically, that's not going to happen either even with a big lottery win.

 

[magicol]

Wow! Didn’t expect this. But it still isn’t very pleasant.
Someone suggested my earlier post was overreacting and all this was just good natured joshing. I don’t think so. Some of this is unpleasant. For most of us on this forum, our boats are the second most or maybe even the most expensive thing we have bought. We all love our boats, so it is personal! It is hurtful when people sneer at them and by association, us owners.
IKEA? Our boats are disparagingly compared to products from a company that has offered millions of people across the world access to clean, comfortable, convenient and affordable living. Why! And Tesla? Whatever you think of the owner and his cars they have done more to drive the replacement of fossil fuel driven vehicles than any government. I repeat, we should be praising our scientists, engineers and designers. Their efforts benefit us all in the long run.
Most of the things written in these threads and the way they are worded would never be said face to face yet here on social media it seems fair game to hurt and upset people who have different views. And it’s made worse because we all share the same passion: sailing!

 

[geem]

Wow! Didn’t expect this. But it still isn’t very pleasant.
Someone suggested my earlier post was overreacting and all this was just good natured joshing. I don’t think so. Some of this is unpleasant. For most of us on this forum, our boats are the second most or maybe even the most expensive thing we have bought. We all love our boats, so it is personal! It is hurtful when people sneer at them and by association, us owners.
IKEA? Our boats are disparagingly compared to products from a company that has offered millions of people across the world access to clean, comfortable, convenient and affordable living. Why! And Tesla? Whatever you think of the owner and his cars they have done more to drive the replacement of fossil fuel driven vehicles than any government. I repeat, we should be praising our scientists, engineers and designers. Their efforts benefit us all in the long run.
Most of the things written in these threads and the way they are worded would never be said face to face yet here on social media it seems fair game to hurt and upset people who have different views. And it’s made worse because we all share the same passion: sailing!

So you like IKEA furniture then?

 

[doug748]

Here is the First 36, as mentioned before, for a performance boat, I think they have made an effort:






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Unlike the style of the Dufour which seems to have been lifted from the cheaper sort of motor home.


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[Skylark]

No one or at leas not I is against anyone owning anything Dufour 41s or even Teslas it is just a personal opinion of them which also makes them unsuitable for me.
Did I disparage others, I think not, I said Ikea on water and that is a very justifiable comment given the interior styling.

Sorry mon ami but I made my comments in another direction, not towards you.

I can’t recall the last time I was in an Ikea store, it was possible the one south of Stockholm in the late 1980s ?, but I, like most people, interpret comments like Ikea, Travelodge and caravan as the language of envy, typically exchanged in a kindergarten, certainly not from mature adults.

 

[Chiara’s slave]

I wouldn’t have one as it’s obviously just for marina life, it’d be an adventure just to make a cup of tea under sail. I struggle to see how anyone who wants a sailboat would think it was in any way a good idea. nothing to do with envy, I could have one, or something very similar if I put my mind to it. But it‘s interior is unsuitable for my use, and my own boat will rip it’s liver out under sail.

 

[Skylark]

Here’s a lovely boat for the MAB lovers

 

[Fr J Hackett]

Wow! Didn’t expect this. But it still isn’t very pleasant.
Someone suggested my earlier post was overreacting and all this was just good natured joshing. I don’t think so. Some of this is unpleasant. For most of us on this forum, our boats are the second most or maybe even the most expensive thing we have bought. We all love our boats, so it is personal! It is hurtful when people sneer at them and by association, us owners.
IKEA? Our boats are disparagingly compared to products from a company that has offered millions of people across the world access to clean, comfortable, convenient and affordable living. Why! And Tesla? Whatever you think of the owner and his cars they have done more to drive the replacement of fossil fuel driven vehicles than any government. I repeat, we should be praising our scientists, engineers and designers. Their efforts benefit us all in the long run.
Most of the things written in these threads and the way they are worded would never be said face to face yet here on social media it seems fair game to hurt and upset people who have different views. And it’s made worse because we all share the same passion: sailing!

If you get upset by someone saying with a lot of justification that the interior of a boat is like something from IKEA then you must live a very sheltered and cosseted life.
It is not a criticism of anyone individual just the interior styling and fit out of a boat that no doubt many will find attractive and modern and no doubt it will suit their purpose and idea of what a yacht should do. It's like asking a thoroughbred flat course race horse to complete the Grand National course or the other way around, they are very different animals. There are people on here and in the yachting world generally that may take offence at comments like MAB, or dark and dank interior often levied by those that prefer the likes of the Dufour, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. No one has criticised owners of such boats as the Dufour or even used a derogatory term in describing them.

 

[lustyd]

Nothing wrong with IKEA, I really like a lot of their stuff. I certainly prefer IKEA to the old fashioned wood furniture of my parents generation. light and airy isn’t a bad thing but somehow many posters are suggesting it is.
neither does the look align in any way to quality as is being implied. CNC is just a modern production method and I dare say produces higher quality than a lot of hand crafted old boats.

 

[Blueboatman]

Here is the First 36, as mentioned before, for a performance boat, I think they have made an effort:


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Unlike the style of the Dufour which seems to have been lifted from the cheaper sort of motor home.


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Aha ?
thanks for these photos

I would have no problem with that at sea at all .

I like the centre island for bracing when doing galley tea or chart table stuff @ heel.

And the bunks are nice and long and low down and not too far flung from the centre line.
And it has curves not edge butted panel board
Should be an ok ride /sound sleep

Bet it’s quite competently quick too ??

 

[capnsensible]

Problem, isn't it, people arguing over personal taste....

 

[Blueboatman]

Problem, isn't it, people arguing over personal taste....

‘Specially when large amounts of money and self are invested !

 

[Zagato]

Here is the First 36, as mentioned before, for a performance boat, I think they have made an effort:


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Unlike the style of the Dufour which seems to have been lifted from the cheaper sort of motor home.


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Yuck. How stark, clinical, cold, cheap and nasty that plastic interior looks. Give me a homely, warm, comfortable interior you can entertain friends in or read a book in rather than being on tender hooks waiting for your name to be called for the next appointment.

 

[Zagato]

It's not a lone offender either, here is another of Buzz Lightyear's sailboats :


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I first saw one of these on a car park, dint look pretty, Jeanneau 410.

Same Travelodge interior style but very much improved; curiously the new First 36 manages to have a much more friendly interior and yet be a performance vehicle.

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Where is the grace, form and passion in a white block on the water. Beautiful stylish boats and cars famously look like they are moving swiftly even though they are standing still. That thing just looks like a floating pontoon. Just my feeling. An absolute eyesore in the natural landscape. Keep it in Canary Wharf! We seem to have lost gorgeous design altogether for consumer led plastic floating apartments.

 

[Tranona]

Yuck. How stark, clinical, cold, cheap and nasty that plastic interior looks. Give me a homely, warm, comfortable interior you can entertain friends in or read a book in rather than being on tender hooks waiting for your name to be called for the next appointment.

It is a racer/cruiser and not somewhere for what you suggest but for the 4 crew to work during the day and crash out at night. Perfect for the job!

 

[doug748]

Aha ?
thanks for these photos

I would have no problem with that at sea at all .

I like the centre island for bracing when doing galley tea or chart table stuff @ heel.

And the bunks are nice and long and low down and not too far flung from the centre line.
And it has curves not edge butted panel board
Should be an ok ride /sound sleep

Bet it’s quite competently quick too ??

Yes. I don't think the First is a bad looking boat at all, of it's type:



Seems to me, if you want a fast boat you accept the compromises. However a lot of modish designs have all the compromises without the upsides of speed and little in the way of sailing convenience - just to say they are bigger, have more toilets, than the last one.
However they are no doubt just the job for the intended use, which I guess is almost exclusively maximising chartering income, in the Med.

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