Sea Change
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Except for viewers in Scotland.
Advice on size
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lustyd
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Not sure what you mean? Scotland is also full of stone buildings and I can’t imagine wooden ones lasting a year!
Sea Change
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Timber frame has been the standard for new builds in Scotland for the last fifty years or so. At least in my neck of the woods.
Usually clad in a blockwork rain screen, rendered and painted white. The underlying structure is timber though.
These days timber cladding is become very popular to replace the blockwork.
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lustyd
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In my neck of the woods we call that a shed.
Momac
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Actually a timber framed house (in the UK) will typically have greater off site factory prefabrication compared to a more traditional loadbearing masonry (eg. brick and block) house construction.
So the ''stick built'' terminology as described earlier seems to me less appropriate for timber framed and more appropriate for loadbearing masonry construction.
So the ''stick built'' terminology as described earlier seems to me less appropriate for timber framed and more appropriate for loadbearing masonry construction.
Sea Change
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Well that 'shed' is what funds my cruising life.
Sea Change
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To get pedantic, a stick built house will have minimal prefabrication. Probably just the trusses, which is the same as for brick and block.
Once you start pre-fabbing whole panels, or even move to SIPS, it's no longer what would be called a stick build.
Dockhead
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Sure, it doesn't relate well to European construction techniques (other than, to some extent, in the UK).
But it's quite accurate in relation to boat construction.
Dockhead
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But it would be very appropriate for timber construction. That's where it comes from. Off site prefab panelized vs. built up on site from "sticks".
Dockhead
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Exactly. And that is exactly the analogue to boat construction
dunedin
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We will agree to disagree then.
The term and usage really only works for certain types of land building construction (and not even most European at that).
Does not seem to be applicable or indeed used in terms of boat construction techniques.
Dockhead
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The term is widely used in relation to boat construction. It's the normal terminology to distinguish prefab liner and grid construction, from conventional construction.
If you do a search on Boat Design Net, where professional yacht designers hang out, you will find about 10,000 references to the term:
"Simply put, instead of using a big hunk of something screwed to another big hunk of something, it's usually best to employ a more "stick built" technique, with several smaller load bearing elements all sharing and distributing the loads. In the end, though more effort in assembly, it's generally lighter and more durable." Plywood interior?
"Generally stick built refers the entire interior fit out from the bare shell as it comes out of the mold being done with wood, ie, plywood bulkheads, furniture, cabin sole etc and often the structural floors, engine beds in wood completely tabbed in and encapsulated with glass/polyester. Most boats built in the early days maybe through to the 1990s were stick built while most boats built since then tend to have fiberglass pan type construction to some degree. Obviously the less wood there is, especially in areas that are out of sight like under the sole in the bilge the less chance of rot but don't be fooled into thinking pan type construction is superior. The reason builders have gone this way is simple economics, its much less labor intensive, its not to build you a better boat." Stick Built versus Pan FRP
"You have excellent taste. The Nordship 430 DS Classic is pretty perfect for the most common requirements. . . . It looks like the 430 DS is stick built inside the fiberglass hull, so Nordship is likely happy to customize to whatever is possible for each customer." How to design my Dreamyacht?
"What is the best way to bond the sides on these 2 pieces? Do I make a ledge/dam and pour foam? Or should I core the sides of the liner to make the tolerance smaller and use bonding putty? Is there another alternative? Thanks! Attached are ours of a stick built version of the hull, and a mold for a liner similar to what I'm talking about, in an effort to explain." How to bond a cockpit liner to hull sides
"Eventually you'll have to select a building method, which can swing from traditional "stick built" with raised panels, to full composite cored methods. It depends on what you want really." structural wood joinery for cabins and wheelhouses
"Ok,while obviously epoxy is the way to go,BUT,polyester does stick to plywood and is what was used for tabbing in bulkheads etc in tens, if not hundreds of thousands of the older stick built production glass boats throughout the world,in fact i have never in my 35yrs or so in the trade . . . " For the 10,000th time... Polyester + plywood.
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