A fun bluewater boat around 40'?

[Sea Change]

the running rigging would have been over 5k if bought new.

That seems rather steep!
Back of envelope calculation, I have about 250m of running rigging. Standard 12mm braid on braid is about £1/m.
I've probably forgotten bits and bobs like lazy jacks, and for some applications you might want higher spec ropes, but how do you get all the way to to £5k?

 

[Supertramp]

Some old boats don't need everything repaired or replaced and some new boats don't come equipped with everything the blue (and brown) water sailor wants. Which might explain some of the cost reasoning.

Some big benefits in preparing your own boat as you know how things work and what spares to carry.

 

[Tranona]

Not difficult to rack up that sort of money if high performance dyneema and professional spliced eyes. 100m Liros Braid on Braid 12mm £98, Liros Hurkules premium £378 Liros Dyneema £679

Would guess his Dragonfly has loads of bits of string to pull to shape sails and fly kites

 

[ashtead]

Now you mention it be careful to check those twin furlers if you find another with like spec as those aren’t cheap if you can still get the parts etc . Hopefully a nice rustler 42 might come along though to compare. They seem a tad quicker maybe?

 

[papaver19]

Yes, I know all about the costs of making old boats perfect - I have spent 5 years making the Typhoon a thing of wonder, without regard to cost. I won't get half my money back when I sell her - a someone is going to be very happy with her - but I enjoyed the process & have learnt loads, both about boat systems and my own capabilities. Money comes and goes, it's not important against a life lived enjoyably.

 

[Chiara’s slave]

For us, the maths went…. New DF28. £200 000. Smart second hand DF28. £160 000. Smart DF920, £90-100 000. Scruffy down at heel but structurally sound boat, local to us, £42000. Parts to restore to better than smart, with new modern sail plan, another 40 000, spent relatively gradually. That added up to us. We won’t make a profit, but not much loss by the time we sell.

 

[Roberto]

Several years ago there was a Bowman 40 in my marina, very nice looking boat, IIRC it was RYS it was the first white ensign I saw. No, actually the second, the first was the Queen little ship we crossed tens of years ago in Greece.

 

[Chiara’s slave]

That seems rather steep!
Back of envelope calculation, I have about 250m of running rigging. Standard 12mm braid on braid is about £1/m.
I've probably forgotten bits and bobs like lazy jacks, and for some applications you might want higher spec ropes, but how do you get all the way to to £5k?

Not difficult to rack up that sort of money if high performance dyneema and professional spliced eyes. 100m Liros Braid on Braid 12mm £98, Liros Hurkules premium £378 Liros Dyneema £679

Would guess his Dragonfly has loads of bits of string to pull to shape sails and fly kites

Every line is dyneema. Quite easy then. 3 halyards, running backstays, folding mechanism control lines, traveller, main and jib sheets, barber haulers, spinnaker sheets and tackline, jib and main reefing lines, bowsprit rigging, it all adds up. 8 and 10mm line. About 500m of rope, that’s how you’d get to 5k.

 

[Sea Change]

Every line is dyneema. Quite easy then. 3 halyards, running backstays, folding mechanism control lines, traveller, main and jib sheets, barber haulers, spinnaker sheets and tackline, jib and main reefing lines, bowsprit rigging, it all adds up. 8 and 10mm line. About 500m of rope, that’s how you’d get to 5k.

Thanks for the explanation. It's not entirely representative of your average bluewater boat though.

 

[Chiara’s slave]

Thanks for the explanation. It's not entirely representative of your average bluewater boat though.

They’d just spend the 4k difference differently. Battery bank, solar system, drogue, anchoring, watermaker etc. All that stuff degrades over time too.

 

[papaver19]

Thanks muchly to everyone who came up with suggestions on this thread - the discussion was super helpful to my thinking.

I have now bought a boat, subject to survey. Drum roll ... a Rustler 42 It completely blew the budget, but hey, sometimes you gotta

 

[Goldie]

Thanks muchly to everyone who came up with suggestions on this thread - the discussion was super helpful to my thinking.

I have now bought a boat, subject to survey. Drum roll ... a Rustler 42 It completely blew the budget, but hey, sometimes you gotta

Lucky, lucky you!!! Do let us know how you get on with it .

 

[HCVDB]

Hello papaver19,

You mentioned Koopmans designs as being on your menu or radar or so...

Google "Hutting 40 for sale" and check out the Hutting Brokerage site.
They have two of this type for 175.000,- and 195.000,- Euros for sale. Both early 1990ies built. New they cost something in the area of 600 to 800 thou; before tax... The newer ones are all aluminium, which one has to like.
Long keel, only 1,6m draught, 10,10 m lwl, keel hung rudder, cutter rigged sloop. Steel hulls. Displacement abt 13,5 tons.

If you want to sail long distances and not be tired by a nervous boat, if you look for high average speed, there is your boat.
I own one even a couple of years older and I love her motion in the seas, her slicing through the waves, (Don't we all think our boats are fantastic?)
Of course she is not a star close hauled but full and by she runs like a train. And surprisingly she does not need a half-gale to get moving either.
On all other points of sail she is faster than one would think, forgiving and very seakindly. A boat that looks after you.

Read up on the boat, there are tests in "Palstek", a German sailing magazine and I think also "Yacht".

I bought mine some 15 years ago privately and had no support from the boatyard but found Mr. Dick Koopmans jr. very helpful and responsive.

Hope this ticks your box.

Fair winds, G.

Hi Servus,

I‘m looking to buy my first boat. Safety and sea kindness are my priorities. I would like to make an appointment to go see te Hutting 40 Siga Siga. Since you have one, would you like to share your experiences? The good and the bad. I have always rented a boat until now. I don‘t like the slapping of a modern hull on the waves. Unfortunately i can‘t rent a boat with a long keel. I live in Belgian Limburg. I would love to hear from you.
Kind regards
HCVDB

 

[servus]

Thanks muchly to everyone who came up with suggestions on this thread - the discussion was super helpful to my thinking.

I have now bought a boat, subject to survey. Drum roll ... a Rustler 42 It completely blew the budget, but hey, sometimes you gotta

Congratulations to a boat that you like and that I would like too.
The budget story sounds familiar .....
Please let us know how it is going on and possibly treat us to some nice pics.
Cheers, G.

 

[papaver19]

Congratulations to a boat that you like and that I would like too.
The budget story sounds familiar .....
Please let us know how it is going on and possibly treat us to some nice pics.
Cheers, G.

Thanks (also Goldie) - will do. We should have a fun (lively) time scooting across Biscay before the Equinox, so hopefully I can post some pics from that

 

[Goldie]

Thanks (also Goldie) - will do. We should have a fun (lively) time scooting across Biscay before the Equinox, so hopefully I can post some pics from that

I’ve just come the other way across Biscay and as of yesterday afternoon, am now anchored in Quiberon Bay - abeam a very smart looking Rustler 42! Fine choice sir .

 

[papaver19]

Reporting back as promised! First proper sail in the new-to-me Rustler yesterday - 60 miles down the Portuguese coast from Baiona to Porto. It was a pretty nice trip all round, with Champagne sailing interspersed with katabatic outbreaks of 20-25kts. The Rustler did brilliantly - first time I have been over 10kts on a beam reach, she is definitely quick - and all done with a serene no-bother comportment: I think I made a good choice. Very much enjoyed the G&T anchored in the Douro river at the end of the day.

 

[Sea Change]

Muito bom!

 

[greeny]

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[john_morris_uk]

Congratulations on your new boat. For anyone else reading this thread, I’m wondering why Malo 42’s weren’t mentioned more. https://uk.boats.com/sailing-boats/1997-malo-42-9517761/

They’re beautifully built but sadly built no more.