st599
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It would be hugely beneficial, and according to the RYA Cruising Conference presentation an extension was offered by the EU if the UK reciprocated for all member states.
90 in 180 limit from 1st January.
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syvictoria
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I know.
That's why we all need to campaign for this!!!!! The government need to provide a VERY good reason for declining the EU's offer if their initial decision isn't to be reversed.
Lightwave395
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Brexit dogmaI know.
syvictoria
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Ironically, I though that it was freedom of movement IN, not OUT, that Brexit was largely about!
Baggywrinkle
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Some of us realised long ago that the two are inextricably linked - as with Trumps wall, it serves two purposes - trying to keep people in as well as out, just depends on the mood of the government at the time.
Why anyone would voluntarily vote for a policy that restricted their freedom of movement and made their travel more difficult, is beyond me - but as my fellow forumites of a Brexit persuasion keep saying - we used to travel and work abroad before the EU!
Well, welcome back to the glory days when work and travel around Europe was curtailed and controlled - but there is one plus - you don't need to go back to painting your headlights yellow to visit France.
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Stork_III
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What did they offer exactly? Better than 180 in 365 that UK gives?
Poignard
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They may have 'won' but the prizes were crap.
st599
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I think it was up to 6 months with no border checks for recreational travel. The RYA slides have vanished from their website.
UK are implementing an app for reporting recreational entry in to the UK that sailors will need to use.
Baggywrinkle
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I think one of the overwhelming reasons for it being curtailed to 90 days instead of 6 months in the Schengen area is that it is a good balance between encouraging tourism but preventing foreigners finding "black market" jobs. In 6 months you can work a full summer or winter season if you accept cash in hand and no questions asked - unscrupulous employers are less likely to take people on if they can only stay for what is remaining on their 90 day tourist visa.
The EU has quite sensibly opted for free movement for work and travel for EU citizens, and a 90 day limit for the rest of the world - there are enough europeans for seasonal jobs without letting in every tom dick and harry for 6 months when they might never go home. Most illegal immigration is through visa overstays anyway so why give them longer to get themselves established?
Illegal immigration: What can be done?
The EU has quite sensibly opted for free movement for work and travel for EU citizens, and a 90 day limit for the rest of the world - there are enough europeans for seasonal jobs without letting in every tom dick and harry for 6 months when they might never go home. Most illegal immigration is through visa overstays anyway so why give them longer to get themselves established?
Illegal immigration: What can be done?
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Stork_III
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So not different to UK allowance then 180 days/year, no visa required.
Kelpie
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Seems a shame to be punishing ordinary people because of the actions of a few greedy employers. They're the real bad guys in all of this.
It must be hard to live entirely under the radar. Presumably you'd need to be in tied accommodation, no bank account, no phone contract, etc. Pretty grim.
It must be hard to live entirely under the radar. Presumably you'd need to be in tied accommodation, no bank account, no phone contract, etc. Pretty grim.
st599
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If it weren't different then the EU would have accepted.
I think the UK offer was not to all member states and had stricter checks on arrival.
Refueler
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As an employer in the EU and in ex Soviet area ............ I can tell you that 'black market' employment is rife amongst the RESIDENTS themselves ... you don't need to import people for it !!
If a company here looks for employees ... a common question from the applicant ... is "How much official ... how much in cash ?"
The Govt here knows it well ... as an Employer - if the Tax Dept thinks you are being 'honest' you get a Certificate to put on the wall saying you were a good boy !! My previous companies - I received for each. My Present company will no doubt get one later ...
awol
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Given the incredible success of other government apps I have 110% confidence in their incredible ability to produce an incredible excuse for why it isn't ready by 31st December.
newtothis
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But surely any app designed by the government is going to be world-beating and better than anything produced by the biggest two IT companies in the world.
Refueler
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Didn't UK have an Entry Format online anyway ? Surely that just needs expanding ......... but of course all Govts regardless of party persuasion like to spend stupid amount of money creating what is usually a simple matter.
Baggywrinkle
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The "how much for cash?" economy is rife wherever taxes are collected, but if a non-EU immigrant can come and do a winter season under a "tourist visa", that's a different story. The chalets would be packed with untaxed non-EU workers as would the summer holiday destinations too. Keep it to 90 days IMO, less time to "settle" and less interest from employers.
Blue Sunray
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The "how much for cash?" economy is rife wherever taxes are collected, but if a non-EU immigrant can come and do a winter season under a "tourist visa", that's a different story. The chalets would be packed with untaxed non-EU workers as would the summer holiday destinations too. Keep it to 90 days IMO, less time to "settle" and less interest from employers.
Non EU in this case, but of course even some quite well known British companies have 'form' for abusing visa systems and then throwing their teddies out of the pram when called on it:
Sunsail abandons Turkey over visa row.
Kelpie
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The "how much for cash?" economy is rife wherever taxes are collected, but if a non-EU immigrant can come and do a winter season under a "tourist visa", that's a different story. The chalets would be packed with untaxed non-EU workers as would the summer holiday destinations too. Keep it to 90 days IMO, less time to "settle" and less interest from employers.
These black market employers must be paying well if people can afford to stay in holiday chalets all summer. Who themselves would have to be in on the deal because you lose FHL status if any of your lets are more than 30 consecutive days.
Baggywrinkle
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Ski chalets often have live-in hosts - I know a few people who work the winter season in ski-chalets, holiday camps and camp sites have unused chalets, caravans and tents that are too old or run-down to let to the public, so they use them for staff and then pay less because accommodation is included - some staff end up in crowded off-site accommodation sourced by the employer .... very easy to get lost in the myriad of holiday makers as a casual worker. Generally speaking, in holiday areas there are often houses/flats/tents/caravans that are too unsanitary to be let to holiday makers - these are let out at reduced rates to seasonal workers on minimal pay.